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12th Jan 2012, 10:50 PM in Tiptoe
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view 12th Jan 2012, 10:50 PM edit delete
The third most depressing page in all the comic.

This is chapter end. I will be putting out a comic tomorrow and on Saturday. I think you'll enjoy the next chapter!


jst56strong 12th Jan 2012, 10:55 PM edit delete reply
....sad face.
JasperWB 12th Jan 2012, 10:56 PM edit delete reply
This is sad. Three years? I'd just let him die. Foolish humans. Bringing him back is nothing less than cruel to all. He will never be the same robot they knew. There could be severe discrepancies.

...someone needs to take their top off and cheer the mood up.. Is that what the next chapter is? Nothing but that? Cause I'd take that as an interlude.
Dave. 12th Jan 2012, 11:22 PM edit delete reply
Admittedly, yes, he won't develop in the exact same way he would have otherwise. There's three years of missing development. But if someone you cared about died, and you had a CHANCE at holding on to some part of them, why not?
JasperWB 12th Jan 2012, 11:47 PM edit delete reply
We should agree to disagree. Else this will fly waaaay off-topic and views disapproval will cause disturbance in the Force.
cattservant 13th Jan 2012, 12:05 AM edit delete reply
view is the Force!
Dave. 13th Jan 2012, 1:01 AM edit delete reply
Agreed. I've been setting up for running an Eclipse Phase game, so I've been thinking about the whole "backup" concept a fair amount. View's backup process is a whole lot "deathier" than that one though. So I definitely can see where you're coming from.
Reading In 2015 26th Oct 2015, 4:20 PM edit delete reply
Here's what I see.

The injury here is not itself death.

It is damage.

There are two options:
One – treat it as death; scrap your loved one before they can deteriorate in ways we don't like.
Two – treat it as amnesia; go from the last backup and figure that the injury caused amnesia, rather than death.
(Three – let them continue untreated, going insane at whatever pace and to whatever degree they do.)

Hans is not dead, just damaged.

So I ask of JasperBW and others who share his views (no pun intended): Given this perspective, do your choices and/or feelings differ from what you described previously?
Skele 18th Aug 2017, 4:48 AM edit delete reply
In this case Hans is fixable. If the damage was more extensive, or if he wasn't as sturdy a robot as previously noted, then there is a chance that he could have been beyond repair. I think everyone in his family and friends should be happy that he's only lost 3 years at worst. (Another reason that default backups are a good thing) if it was Waverly or even Gretel hit by the crane, there is a chance this tragedy might have been worse.
cattservant 12th Jan 2012, 11:23 PM edit delete reply
Where the path leads, there you must go... (Besides no one is ever the same person from one day to the next!)
<third? have we seen one or two yet?> {"Quantum bits can't be copied..." Any observation would change their state. So Humanlike AI existence would be even more ethereal than a human beings who may have memory encoded in the DNA.}
Meh.Aloe 12th Jan 2012, 11:49 PM edit delete reply
I think this was probably explained already, but I am forget -- how often do the back-ups happen? For some reason I've started thinking it was a yearly thing, but clearly not... >_<
view 12th Jan 2012, 11:53 PM edit delete reply
No way! Would you want to die every year?

It's roughly every 3 or 4 years during childhood, then becomes completely optional once you hit 18.
JasperWB 13th Jan 2012, 12:16 AM edit delete reply
Yet another example of why bother doing it at all. Child abuse! Support true robot equality! Circuited power!
view 13th Jan 2012, 12:20 AM edit delete reply
You and your provincial human viewpoint...
JasperWB 13th Jan 2012, 12:35 AM edit delete reply
Provincial? Oww...*sniff*.
Mr Muffins 12th Jan 2012, 11:57 PM edit delete reply
I still don't understand. As a sentient AI why would you NOT backup your memory every day? Is it a technical limitation or something?
cattservant 13th Jan 2012, 12:02 AM edit delete reply
"Quantum bits can't be copied..."
view 13th Jan 2012, 12:02 AM edit delete reply
Technically, he could back up his memories, but memories don't make you who you are. The way their experiences flow through their quantum memory is what creates their personality, their feelings, their judgments.

The nature of quantum mechanics means that it's impossible to get the same result by simply running it again, and even if it were possible, we're talking about ten gigabytes per second of sensory data.

I tried to hint at this - the way that Kersie didn't want to be reset to factory default, the way that Gretel dealt with the new upgrade. But I guess it wasn't clear enough.

I did schedule Nameless Boy to talk about it next chapter, though, so it'll get mentioned in-comic as well.
cattservant 13th Jan 2012, 12:19 AM edit delete reply
So Nameless Boy is going to grow up and be a Clint Eastwood character?
Valatar 13th Jan 2012, 6:47 AM edit delete reply
It's the whole teleporter problem. If you step into a teleporter and someone with your appearance and memories walks out on the other side, but you disintegrated, did you really survive the transit? Making a backup copy and reloading it is much the same scenario. From all outward appearances it's you, but...

One thing that strikes me though, is why have the CPU in the relatively vulnerable head instead of behind a solid inch of steel in the torso? That always nagged at me about mechwarrior having the cockpit in the head, too. In humans our brains are in our heads because otherwise the transmission lag from our sensory organs would make us too slow to react; we need the shortest possible wiring between our eyes, ears, and nose and our brain. But robots wouldn't have that particular issue, so I'd be putting their processors somewhere much more armored against accident.
dissociate 13th Jan 2012, 7:02 AM edit delete reply
More protection would not have prevented this. It's the robotic equivalent to a concussion. It happened because his internal parts were unable to compensate in the same way our internal parts can't easily compensate when we have a high speed crash.
elfolampo 13th Jan 2012, 8:19 AM edit delete reply
Well, in humans, our brain is in our head because at some point in evolution something like a brain appeared, and something like an head appeared, and then generations continued to evolve with their 'brain' where the 'head' is, their 'eyes', 'nose', 'ears' there too, etc.

I'd also like to point out that humans have a whole lot of vital organs. Some maybe a bit rendundant, but basically, if you take an hit on anywhere in the torso or the head, 90% chances are that it's in the direction of something vital. And then there's the inertia, etc.

Also well, in humans, the head is probably the most solid place(probably because species with a soft place for brain-holding were more prone to dying during evolution).

There's also the fact that storing your 'brain' in your 'head' makes the robots more 'human', so it's probably encouraged to make them feel so.
view 13th Jan 2012, 1:44 PM edit delete reply
That and latency in the wired connections.
Valatar 14th Jan 2012, 6:26 AM edit delete reply
The brain and head didn't just randomly plop into place for no reason; human nervous signals move at about the speed of sound. If your eyes were in your hands, the time it would take the visual data to reach your brain would take an extra ten milliseconds. Not super useful in split-second reaction scenarios! So sensory organs must be close to the brain, they didn't just happen to develop in proximity. If anything evolved with its ears on its butt, it would pretty promptly be eaten by something that jumped it before its brain heard the bushes rustling behind it.

That's why spinal reflex occurs. The transmission lag between your skin and your brain is potentially dangerously long, so the spinal cord was delegated as a secondary controller to make you pull your hand out of the fire before the "ow fuck I'm on fire" signal takes more time to reach the brain.

Robots with lightspeed connections between their sensors and their processors really don't have that problem. Given that light's approximately a thousand times faster than sound, you could have a connection a hundred times longer than the length of a human's optic nerve and still have one tenth of a human's reaction speed.
view 14th Jan 2012, 1:55 PM edit delete reply
Human reaction speed is not something that makes people act human. Through long experimentation, robots have found that shaving microseconds off their latency doesn't make them less human, and also allows them to function at superhuman levels if the situation demands it.
randomTroll 13th Jan 2012, 12:03 AM edit delete reply
Sooooooooommmeeeee one is in looooooooveee, with hansel.
Sheela 13th Jan 2012, 1:37 AM edit delete reply
Well .. 3 years of development down the drain.
So I reckon he won't be like the Hans he used to be.

He'll become a new version of Hans then ?
One that now has 3 years to catch up on ?
elfolampo 13th Jan 2012, 8:27 AM edit delete reply
By the way, it's not that Jim is not feeling involved, but he's probably experienced this several times, and I think view mentioned it happened twice even to his best friend.
tteclod 13th Jan 2012, 1:09 PM edit delete reply
Miwa's not human, is she?
view 13th Jan 2012, 1:44 PM edit delete reply
tteclod 13th Jan 2012, 3:39 PM edit delete reply
Too smart, childhood incident with lightning, fragile brain.

Makes me think her experience with that lightning strike wasn't a minor thing, and that her cognitive faculties might have "power assist" inside her skull somewhere. If Jim had any part in that, it might explain both his compassion and her crush.
view 13th Jan 2012, 9:18 PM edit delete reply
It's true, as you'll find out later, that she nearly died when she was struck by lightning. Jim found her and carried her to a hospital, and, yes, she didn't make it through without getting some bits replaced.

But that's still two chapters away before it gets to publication!
tteclod 14th Jan 2012, 12:59 AM edit delete reply
See? I have been paying close attention, after all.

Too bad the robot can't get squishy bits to bridge over the electronic faults.

Or is that not true? Could our young and distraught damsel operate on half a brain? Would anybody let her, if she offered?

All this and more after our flashback. Stay tuned!
cattservant 13th Jan 2012, 2:30 PM edit delete reply
Intellect before emotion?
Prestidigititis 13th Jan 2012, 6:58 PM edit delete reply
Nice username choice, OP.
Tsuyu 13th Jan 2012, 11:41 PM edit delete reply
Wow...I haven't been able to comment in a long while (faulty internet plus holidays and so forth) but all I can say is wow.

Poor loose so much of what he was.

Well...on a differing bright side, he gets to experience life all over again...:/
Einheijar 17th Jan 2012, 10:23 PM edit delete reply
This is the saddest thing I've ever seen in a comic, oh my god. Jim's lines NAILED it.
view 17th Jan 2012, 11:05 PM edit delete reply
Damastech 25th Dec 2014, 2:22 AM edit delete reply
You actually shot... me. Right in the feels. I'm going through what may turn into a divorce, but this actually caught me and gave me that nauseous-near-tears feel. Damn, you are good. You marvelous bastard robot-view.