Comic 223 - Hot Spring 2

12th Feb 2012, 7:18 PM in Filling in the Past
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Author Notes:

view 12th Feb 2012, 7:20 PM edit delete
It's a real challenge drawing Gretel relaxing, because she's got a big round eye that never blinks or narrows.


JasperWB 12th Feb 2012, 7:35 PM edit delete reply
You do have sexy characters view. Nuff said. All is missing is Carol. I propose a massive, all woman character, hot spring outing. For...character development..or something.
view 12th Feb 2012, 7:40 PM edit delete reply
I didn't really think they were very sexy this page...
JasperWB 12th Feb 2012, 7:45 PM edit delete reply
It's Miwa mainly. You can see the legs, she's got her head almost tipped back. I suppose I also used my imagination a little as well. And you can find anything if you're looking for it!
TheDude. 12th Feb 2012, 8:08 PM edit delete reply
I think Gretel is sexy in the first frame, it's an erotic pose, and then the drips of water help too.
Far-out ideas with Miwa's shirts by the by.

Dude out.
view 12th Feb 2012, 8:12 PM edit delete reply
She's still on a kick about the fact that she can put her arms over her head.
Sheela 12th Feb 2012, 8:06 PM edit delete reply
Out of curiosity, can Gretel float/swim ?
Would be a pretty neat skill to have as a robot. :)
view 12th Feb 2012, 8:14 PM edit delete reply
Robots have been getting lighter and lighter every year, but most of them still sink. The "water safety lessons" they are required to take before they can enter water all make the assumption that they sink.
Sheela 12th Feb 2012, 8:21 PM edit delete reply
Ah ... so they don't have an inflatable airbag of sorts to make 'em float ?
view 12th Feb 2012, 8:26 PM edit delete reply
Most robots don't need to swim, so they don't dedicate any space or weight to that. There is one swimming robot: the one that works in the lab and shot Mary in the butt. She actually uses mostly drones, but her primary body can swim quite well.
Sheela 12th Feb 2012, 8:49 PM edit delete reply
Ahhh .. yess ... perverted robots - How delightful. :D
Meh.Aloe 12th Feb 2012, 8:46 PM edit delete reply
Emhhh, I have to say Gretel's "even in a robot body" comment is a bit disconcerting in some way I can't quite put my finger on... It's like... To her, being a robot should be normal; the way she phrases this comment, it's like she considers having a robot body to be unusual, and human bodies to be the norm. Shouldn't her perspective be reversed? I mean, I'm not sure what kind of comment *would* make sense, but it just feels odd in some way... Like, wouldn't she already know what does and doesn't feel good to a robot body? And even if she is surprised when she finds a typically "human" thing to be enjoyable... It just seems like she'd phrase it in some other way. >_>

Even to a human brain, it's hard to clearly express exactly what I'm trying to say here, though.
Meh.Aloe 12th Feb 2012, 8:48 PM edit delete reply
Another way to put it is that it feels like the purpose of this dialogue is exposition for the audience -- people reading this page may ask "why would a robot feel good in a hot spring?" and the characters' dialogue feels like the author trying to answer this question for the benefit of the audience. It makes sense as a writing device, but it comes across a bit as the "as you know, your father, the King..." approach. :P
view 12th Feb 2012, 9:00 PM edit delete reply
Gretel's not very smart, but it is a bit expository.
Meh.Aloe 12th Feb 2012, 11:06 PM edit delete reply
:( Now I feel like giving Gretel a hug.
view 12th Feb 2012, 11:56 PM edit delete reply
Well, she's not very human, so she has kind of tunnel vision of the brain.
Bil 12th Feb 2012, 9:07 PM edit delete reply
I must be high cause the steam seems to be moving.
view 13th Feb 2012, 5:09 AM edit delete reply
I, alone among all of humanity, have learned how to animate pngs. And don't bogart the whole joint.
Wikilly 13th Feb 2012, 4:22 PM edit delete reply
cattservant 13th Feb 2012, 4:30 PM edit delete reply
If you can think of it, somebody's already doing it!
cattservant 12th Feb 2012, 9:26 PM edit delete reply
Looks like everyone else was awake and alert while I was napping. Oh well... I notice that the young ladies postures have become quite different by the final two panels. Does Gretel use human body language closely, or is she hugging her knees tightly for some robo-mechanical reason? Her facial expression seems quite pleased and relaxed.
JasperWB 12th Feb 2012, 10:09 PM edit delete reply
Hey...does this town have a bowling alley?

Uh, if y'all answer I'll even tell you why I asked!
cattservant 12th Feb 2012, 10:36 PM edit delete reply
If it does, it's probably holographic too.
CyberSkull 13th Feb 2012, 12:38 AM edit delete reply
Gretel looks so cute in the last 2 panels. ;)
Iamari 13th Feb 2012, 4:36 AM edit delete reply
We've seen you draw her eye in different shapes before.
view 13th Feb 2012, 4:50 AM edit delete reply
I think you will find that the face around her eye changed color.
Mangela 13th Feb 2012, 5:23 AM edit delete reply
FINALLY :D... After 5 days of start and stop reading, I've finally got caught up to the recent pages! I felt so left out in the comments in the previous pages.
view 13th Feb 2012, 1:34 PM edit delete reply
Welcome! I hope the story has been clear even without the comments.
Valatar 13th Feb 2012, 6:42 AM edit delete reply
Gretel's cyclopsiness has never really been an impediment to my empathizing with her. I think you do a good job at animating her feelings with her body posture and other expressions.
Running Joke 13th Feb 2012, 8:59 AM edit delete reply
I imagine it can also be hard for new people to notice shes relaxing as well.
cattservant 13th Feb 2012, 8:59 AM edit delete reply
Miwa's glasses; does she really need them, or are they a fashion statement? Seems like the level of medical practice available could easily correct any vision problems.
view 13th Feb 2012, 1:35 PM edit delete reply
They're full of holograms!
cattservant 13th Feb 2012, 5:02 PM edit delete reply
Sort of a faint echo of Dave Bowman's final words?.. (I keep forgetting how advanced the technology is. Kind of hard to tell it from magic sometimes...)
NekoRaijin 13th Feb 2012, 9:30 AM edit delete reply
Just a quick question, not sure if anyone else noticed, but is Miwa's bikini bottom made of a different material to her bikini top? Since it didn't change it's colour/pattern when she entered the water like her top did.
view 13th Feb 2012, 1:35 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, completely different.
Shadowstitch 13th Feb 2012, 12:29 PM edit delete reply
Maybe I'm thinking in quaint, antiquated terminology because it's all that I know and understand, but it seems like a terrestrial robotic entity would, by default, abhor (or at least have a natural subconscious disinclination towards) hot, moist places. I conjecture under the assumption that excess waste heat in a sealed mechanical environment is a bad thing, as is any sort of intrusion by liquid into an electronic system.

In my little mind, Gretel is remarking on how "it feels good, I wonder why?" with a lilt of internal fascination because her organic-patterned-human-ai is telling her that a warm bath feels good, when in her artificial-construct-ai-patterns, she has the nagging sensation she probably shouldn't. As in, "I'm doing something potentially self-destructive, but my mind is telling me I am enjoying it. I wonder why?"
view 13th Feb 2012, 1:36 PM edit delete reply
Well, most sentient robots are very waterproof, but you're just about right.
cattservant 13th Feb 2012, 4:02 PM edit delete reply
Maybe that 'subconscious' conflict is why Gretel is hugging her knees so tightly to her chest in the last two panels.
duLapel 13th Feb 2012, 2:18 PM edit delete reply
view said: It's a real challenge drawing Gretel relaxing, because she's got a big round eye that never blinks or narrows.

There is no reason why Gretel couldn't get an eye shaping upgrade or even an eyelid and pupal simulator that would compliment her emoto-face lighting system.
cattservant 13th Feb 2012, 3:57 PM edit delete reply
Along with her advanced hello kitty...
view 13th Feb 2012, 9:39 PM edit delete reply
"Uncanny valley"
cattservant 13th Feb 2012, 10:08 PM edit delete reply
Isn't that just outside of Nowheresville? The one you can see outside Mary's bedroom window? Also if Gretel's new kitty was cute enough, Who would notice?
ravenor78 13th Feb 2012, 4:59 PM edit delete reply
well human technology certainly has come a long way here for all this to be, what year is this set in? it's probably on a past page but i don't read through all the comments
cattservant 13th Feb 2012, 5:13 PM edit delete reply
Somewhere in the Future. It has never been directly stated, but I bet it's not in this century.
ravenor78 13th Feb 2012, 5:25 PM edit delete reply
thanks, maybe we'll find out one day. just hope view keeps posting
Meh.Aloe 13th Feb 2012, 7:11 PM edit delete reply
It seems like the relatively near-future to me... I'd certainly guess it's still the 21st century, though probably its second half. The technology is more advanced than what we have today, but not to Clarkian levels. Pretty much everything we see in the strip is already being developed on some level. The human-like robots are the only big leap, but there's already a ton of research going into quantum computing and AI; if such robots turn out to be possible at all (and civilization doesn't collapse horribly), surely it won't take more than a century for someone to invent them. :P
cattservant 13th Feb 2012, 8:51 PM edit delete reply
Check out view's comments on #199. A lot of historical background there. There has to be time for "a long series of world-screwing-upping events." Then evacuations from the coastal areas and setting up and populating of the refugee cities,(Metropolis, amongst others). Then the decline and fall thereof. (Also, it must have taken some time to uplift the Octopi!) Jim and company are said to have been in Nowheresville, Tx for about ten years. (The getting there would be a side tale well worth hearing. <hint, hint>)
Meh.Aloe 13th Feb 2012, 11:42 PM edit delete reply
Hm, no, even with the refresher from the comments on 199, I'm still guessing it's still the 21st century. It doesn't necessarily take *that* long for world-screwing-up events to occur. How many huge world-screwing events happened in the first half of the 20th century, after all? :( I'm guessing the series of disasters could start happening within a few decades of our time, plus some time for the back-story to take place and for us to catch up to where the characters currently are in the plot... I don't think it has to be more than, oh, let's say, the 2050s - 2060s.

Also it's just that the setting has that "near-future vibe," you know? The militarized US police state, for example, is something it's easier to imagine as a near-term dystopia, rather than something from the 2100s; the way the characters act and dress seems like a continuity of present culture projected a few decades into the future, rather than a whole new world of centuries hence, etc.
cattservant 14th Feb 2012, 1:30 AM edit delete reply
You may very well be correct. I agree about the ambience.
duLapel 13th Feb 2012, 8:14 PM edit delete reply
Well... with a simple application of Moore's law, it should be much sooner than later.

The futurist Ray Kurzwei, in his book The Age of Spiritual Machines, predicts a world technologically similar to the NMTG world in 2029.

. . . . ⇒ That's just one short generation away... •_-
JasperWB 13th Feb 2012, 8:54 PM edit delete reply
Wishful thinking for that date. Maybe we can get the tech, but would people care enough to want it? People don't seem to care and want like they used to. It has to really draw them. I think that it what will really push the date back.
cattservant 13th Feb 2012, 9:04 PM edit delete reply
What he said.
cattservant 13th Feb 2012, 9:01 PM edit delete reply
Sir duLapel: Yes, but... The harder and faster it goes, the more mud and sand gets in the gears. And not to mention the Luddites! <by the way, do you remember the Future too?>
duLapel 14th Feb 2012, 2:12 AM edit delete reply
To both JasperWB & cattservant: In 1973 I used a computing system that filled the basement of Purdue University's Math Science Building. It was cutting edge technology at the time... Now you can hold more computing power in your hand by simple picking up an iPhone.

In the same year the internet was a DARPA pipe-dream to have a communication system that could survive a nuclear war... now it is the essential engine of world commerce.

Just to look back on the technology available to the average teenager in the 70's as compared with today is equivalent to, paraphrasing a popular TV series character of that era—Mr. Spock, "construct a mnemonic memory circuit using bearskins and stone knives."

Human beings, especially the young ones, take on new technology like ducks take to water...

. . . additionally, Luddites were more about saving there obsolete jobs than resisting tech.
view 14th Feb 2012, 2:18 AM edit delete reply
The problem isn't that tech moves slowly, it's that it moves in directions nobody really expects.
duLapel 14th Feb 2012, 2:47 AM edit delete reply
view said: The problem isn't that tech moves slowly, it's that it moves in directions nobody really expects.

I agree with this in part...
. . . ⇒ There seems to be great attracters that pull technological innovations towards them... and the mechanical simulation of living things seems to be one of them.

. . . ⇒ Also, the more tinkerers to the applications of a new tech, the faster and more direct the applications head for the great attractors. The reason the space program is petering out has more to do with central planning problems than with human ingenuity. Just think what would have happened to the internet if the government gave some company a monopoly to it like it did with the telephone! We wouldn't be having this conversation...
JasperWB 14th Feb 2012, 2:22 AM edit delete reply
Yes but then look at things like the space program is now for America. Dying, sliding backwards. Hell even the Apollo missions had to be cut back because people got bored from their own stupidity. And the space program brought and brings us countless pieces of technology and knowledge in all aspects of life.

I suppose the argument really is there is a chance as equal as we will succeed or fail in getting NMTG tech anytime soon.
cattservant 14th Feb 2012, 2:22 AM edit delete reply
Time sinks you lower and slower, soon to be mud-stuck, while the world flows softly away...
view 14th Feb 2012, 2:31 AM edit delete reply
NASA was always an instrument of politics: the science was incidental. First used to "win" over the Russians, and then used to help build peace through cooperation on space projects.

It didn't do so badly, and it accomplished a lot of science stuff along the way. But as a political tool it is sorely out of position, and it was never intended to be anything else. Obviously the funding is going to be cut, and cut, and cut.
JasperWB 14th Feb 2012, 2:37 AM edit delete reply
Still. Why could that not happen with this tech as well? Hell why would it not happen with this? It's like that in all aspects of science, politics are there. Some fail and some make it. For this tech, either could happen. It may not even get off the ground, and that's my bet. Not by 2029.
cattservant 14th Feb 2012, 2:40 AM edit delete reply
There is a lot of commercial space activity today. I also think a 'space race' to get people to orbit is developing too. Money moves the future!
duLapel 14th Feb 2012, 3:01 AM edit delete reply
Unfortunately the biggest impediment to innovation is the inflating lengths of patents, the new method for governments to bestow a monopoly to politically connected corporations.

So, yes, politics is playing a part, but there is also a lot of push-back from the masses... NMTG seems to me a story about push-back against governmental control of technology.
view 14th Feb 2012, 3:05 AM edit delete reply
Well, NMTG is about a girl chasing a boy chasing a girl. The backstory, though, yeah.
JasperWB 14th Feb 2012, 3:13 AM edit delete reply
I know. This is far too off topic. This is what happens when a page lacks nudity. I think that is the real lesson to be reached by this debate.
duLapel 14th Feb 2012, 3:39 AM edit delete reply
Actually, I've enjoyed this conversation quite a bit... and yes I have learned something from it. Thank you all... ^_^
Meh.Aloe 14th Feb 2012, 3:50 AM edit delete reply
Me also as well I have enjoyed reading it.
cattservant 14th Feb 2012, 3:54 AM edit delete reply
You all are absolutely correct!!! <and thank the gods for glands!>
Meh.Aloe 14th Feb 2012, 5:56 AM edit delete reply
You are... some sort of time cat, aren't you? Some sort of cat who lives in time.
cattservant 14th Feb 2012, 2:53 PM edit delete reply
More like adrift in time with out any oars... <but, "meow-tick-tock-tick">
cattservant 13th Feb 2012, 5:36 PM edit delete reply
Oh Omniscient Master view! Do you remember the Future?
view 13th Feb 2012, 9:40 PM edit delete reply
Why will you keep having once asked me that question?
cattservant 13th Feb 2012, 9:49 PM edit delete reply
Perhaps a 'yes' O Great Deflector?! <also I tend to forget the details>
Mangela 13th Feb 2012, 9:28 PM edit delete reply
Probably a stupid question buuuut, how long is this comic supposed to last? I'm seeing the character development that's progressed and I'm dreading the end in another 100 pages. D:
view 13th Feb 2012, 9:40 PM edit delete reply
I'm bad at estimating pages. 100 or 150 more, probably?
Meh.Aloe 14th Feb 2012, 6:42 AM edit delete reply
This makes me sad. :( It is not very many pages! But it makes me happy because I like this story and you have it all planned out and nice and stuff.
cattservant 13th Feb 2012, 9:45 PM edit delete reply
Not at all. It's only the ones you don't ask! To quote Master view "Has a beginning, middle, and end - not a neverending comic." I think you could be close to right about the duration of this comic. There was some discussion about it somewhere early in the comments. (It's never too early to start making subtle suggestions to Master view without causing any actual distractions...) <oops, too fast for me!>
Mangela 13th Feb 2012, 9:49 PM edit delete reply
Awesome, i was thinking maybe that there would be an abrupt ending such as the octopi getting guns and taking over. But if that's not the case I'd love to see this book go over 9000 pages! ;)
JasperWB 13th Feb 2012, 9:51 PM edit delete reply
But view does endings so well, it would be a shame not to see it!
Mangela 13th Feb 2012, 9:57 PM edit delete reply
After reading cheer, I hate to agree!
cattservant 13th Feb 2012, 10:01 PM edit delete reply
Not only that, but it is entirely possible that the Octopi are indeed having a war under the surface. #051 Purple vs Green. <another fine story possibility...> {nice avatar, looks 22nd century Egyptian}
Meh.Aloe 14th Feb 2012, 12:34 AM edit delete reply
Futuristic Egyptian? O_o IT'S A GOA'ULD!
cattservant 14th Feb 2012, 1:24 AM edit delete reply
I don't get out much anymore... It's always nice to learn a new thing!