Comic 228 - Hellohello

17th Feb 2012, 10:13 PM in Filling in the Past
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view 17th Feb 2012, 10:13 PM edit delete
view
Definitely no comic tomorrow.

Mary's in a really good mood. I WONDER WHY. ... it could be that... SHE LIKES BEING HUGGED.

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cattservant 17th Feb 2012, 10:15 PM edit delete reply
cattservant
Second to none... (Hugs that is!)
JasperWB 17th Feb 2012, 10:25 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
And she liked having her breasts grabbed. She's got that kind of sensitivity in them I just know it. Jim...he's a lucky man. He's got Mary who I just bet loves being groped all over and Miwa who I bet has one of those smooth, supple athletic bodies. He cornered the market on the senses of touch and vision for arousal. Damn him..
view 17th Feb 2012, 10:32 PM edit delete reply
view
You have a pretty active imagination.
JasperWB 17th Feb 2012, 10:43 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
I'll admit that. I don't think its a bad thing. I hope you dont! Lol. We have plenty of people who figure out what everyone is thinking, I gotta cover the rest.
cattservant 17th Feb 2012, 11:38 PM edit delete reply
cattservant
Jim looks a little distracted. Could he be trying to get his software emulation prototypes back into order?
klondike 17th Feb 2012, 10:47 PM edit delete reply
Can't help but wonder if the poor robot knows he's lost 3 years of his life.
view 17th Feb 2012, 10:49 PM edit delete reply
view
Yeah, he knows. That'll be clear in the next pages.
JasperWB 17th Feb 2012, 11:20 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
At least he still has the same core personality. Good that he hadn't developed that later on.
Sheela 18th Feb 2012, 10:09 PM edit delete reply
Sheela
Will be interesting to see how he handles this.
One thing is how people around him relate to it, but another alltogether how Hansel himself handles it.
Guest 17th Feb 2012, 11:16 PM edit delete reply
A new hat! Just the right touch...
Guest 17th Feb 2012, 11:25 PM edit delete reply
<don't know how it happened, but I said that.>
cattservant 17th Feb 2012, 11:28 PM edit delete reply
cattservant
<no, really I did! I'm going to give it up and go to bed for a while...>
Prestidigititis 17th Feb 2012, 11:51 PM edit delete reply
Prestidigititis
Things have got to be rough on poor Hansel now, but I imagine approaching a backed-up friend must be hard for the humans in his life too. Mary et. al. have probably all had to struggle with it more than once by now, but it just seems like one of those really difficult emotional/personal challenges for both sides of the experience.

This is also one of the reasons the idea of amnesia creeps me out.
view 18th Feb 2012, 1:31 AM edit delete reply
view
Yeah, pretty much.
rainbows1701 18th Feb 2012, 12:29 AM edit delete reply
Hugs are pretty rad.
cattservant 18th Feb 2012, 4:58 AM edit delete reply
cattservant
Here's to an excellent day of rest for Master view!
Shadowstitch 18th Feb 2012, 9:08 AM edit delete reply
Something I'm confused about: I thought that the type of damage he sustained meant that he would suffer a catastrophic cascading "brain" failure, and that their unique quantum "neural nets" couldn't be backed up, only copied 1:1, necessitating the destruction of the original host when transitioning to a new body. Could you please explain what happened to him?
view 18th Feb 2012, 3:24 PM edit delete reply
view
There was a big scene with Gretel earlier: they can be backed up, but it is a destructive backup. It's a big deal, so it doesn't happen very often.

He's reverted to his most recent backup, three years ago.
Reading In 2015 28th Oct 2015, 4:01 PM edit delete reply
A concise but detailed explanation of quantum artificial intelligences and backing them up and restoring them, in View's world of Never Mind The Gap

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Allow me to clarify more explicitly, breaking down the steps into more illuminating detail, for any future readers just stepping in or who did not read/remember/understand previous commentary on the subject …

The robot's brain contains a quantum artificial intelligence; a quantum-based computer program.

That is "Who is the robot is", their personality & mind, their person, the non-physical part of their being.

In context, "backing up" is "creating a binary digital computer file*** (or group of files) -- which is called a "seed", by the way -- from the quantum program".

*** A binary digital computer file is just a regular, normal, everyday computer file as we common folk understand them out here in the real world in the year AD 2015. Like we would use on a regular old personal computer.

And backing up is a process
that destroys the quantum program. [The field of quantum physics can explain why, but it is not important if you are just willing to accept as simple fact that "making a seed from a quantum AI destroys it".]

With backing up, you effectively get a copy of the quantum AI program in a different format (the seed), but lose the original program. And, in case you need to know, the seed itself cannot be run as an AI; for reasons that are fact -- just live with it -- only a running quantum version of the program can yield sentience, a person.
Reading In 2015 28th Oct 2015, 4:05 PM edit delete reply
(Since the seed is a "regular" computer file, it could be non-destructively copied any number of times if desired. But I don't know if that is particularly relevant, since I believe that a single seed can be used multiple times to re-spawn a quantum program, anyway. Even though it is irrelevant in that way, it does mean that you could make backups of the seeds without destroying the original seed. And that is safer, because you could store seed back-ups in multiple places.)

The process of growing a new quantum artificial intelligence from a seed has not been described as destructive. Therefore, I assume it is not.

So, when an individual is backed up as a seed, that individual quantum AI is lost. But when the seed, is kept, then a new, nearly identical being (quantum artificial intelligence) can be re-created from the same seed as many times as desired!
Reading In 2015 28th Oct 2015, 4:08 PM edit delete reply
[It's things like custom, culture, practicality, maybe materials, etc., that keeps folk from spawning 100 Gretels or 100 Estebans or 1 million of anyone at the same time. Basically… Dude, it just isn't done. But from a strictly technological viewpoint, it CAN be done.]

To summarize, the practical upshot is this:
A) 1 AI can yield 1 seed.
B) 1 seed can yield many identical seeds and many AIs.
C) Technically, any AI created from a seed created from a living AI is not the same person as the original AI; but if the original is no longer around, most folks treat the new person as being the same person as the original.
D) IMPORTANT NOTE: Arguments and discussions about whether the copies really are the same person and about whether they should be treated as the same person, exist both within the story's world, and in the comments about the story. But most people in the story's world treat the copy as the original; that's the important thing to be aware of.
Reading In 2015 28th Oct 2015, 4:10 PM edit delete reply
E) So far in the story, we don't have any example of multiple "spawns of the same person" existing at the same time, so I'm not worried about it; I just don't care. It's pretty clear that it should not happen, even though it can. I am perfectly content to let the author deal with the subject or not as he pleases. And I am perfectly content, if he chooses to deal with it, to sit back and enjoy the story he tells then.

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There you go. It's plenty of words, but broken into bite-size chunks that should be easy to process. In the end, I don't think it is saying a whole lot. But I do think that it is communicating a small chunk of information in a fairly concise but full way. I hope it helps; at least it has been fun to write, because I've enjoyed the story that view presents, and want others to enjoy it, too.
Reading In 2015 28th Oct 2015, 4:27 PM edit delete reply
… I really think that the key part of all this that Shadowstitch was missing was this: The effective one-to-one copy that happens on the robots' certain birthdays is achieved by using an intermediary step -- namely, creating (from the original AI) a "seed" copy which is not ever destroyed, and which can be used to create multiple AI copies, but is only used to create one (at a time). ... So in reality, they are doing a 1:1:1 copy, just noting that the first 1 is destroyed, and that the second 1 is not destroyed and is not an active sentience, not a person. Since the middle step is not producing an active sentience, a person, people can ignore it, thinking in shorthand. Their shorthanded thinking is that one person is destroyed and a new but nearly identical for all practical purposes person places them. "A 1:1 destructive copy." But that is just shorthand.

On one of those special birthdays, a seed is made from the AI and is used to "remake" the AI. The original AI is destroyed, but the seed is not, and can be used to "remake" that AI as many times as desired.
view 28th Oct 2015, 9:21 PM edit delete reply
view
Yup!
CyberSkull 18th Feb 2012, 4:54 PM edit delete reply
CyberSkull
Yes, HUGGING is the best!
elfolampo 18th Feb 2012, 5:41 PM edit delete reply
elfolampo
Uh, I think there is a slight art style evolution with Mary's and Miwa's faces in the last two pages. Possibly with Gretel too, but it's kind of hard to tell with her, for obvious reasons. They're just a bit more expressive.
view 18th Feb 2012, 6:13 PM edit delete reply
view
It is the nature of artistic evolution to try new mutations, and those that are more fit will get drawn again.
cattservant 18th Feb 2012, 11:21 PM edit delete reply
cattservant
Just have to avoid those giant meteorites!
Archduke 19th Feb 2012, 1:11 AM edit delete reply
Archduke
Gotta love Mary's face(s) in this page.
view 19th Feb 2012, 1:21 AM edit delete reply
view
There seems to be conflicted opinions on the matter.
cattservant 19th Feb 2012, 3:25 AM edit delete reply
cattservant
Mary is a Water spirit with an affinity to Air , so she just naturally changes shape a little, mood to mood and moment to moment.
Sebine 19th Feb 2012, 5:34 AM edit delete reply
Sebine
Some women are crazy, others are flexible

Mary is flexibly crazy
Tdean 19th Feb 2012, 5:44 AM edit delete reply
Question? Now about his next "body" upgrade, is it also put back three years later? Or is it a more flexible personality based decision?
view 19th Feb 2012, 7:00 AM edit delete reply
view
Well, the brain develops at a specific speed, and these AI are built to develop at more or less the same speed. Generally, he wouldn't be upgraded into a teenager body until his brain is ready to handle a teenager's life.

It's possible they might upgrade him early, but only if there was some fairly pressing reason for it.

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