Comic 357 - Exeunt

14th Jul 2012, 7:54 PM in The Sun Always Rises
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view 14th Jul 2012, 7:54 PM edit delete
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EDIT: I have "exceeded the limit of the posts I am allowed to make in one day", so I will be unable to respond to more comments. Sorry!

This is a good page to have discussions on.

At this time, it is impossible for me to tell what people will think of this comic. All I can say is: this was the way it was planned from the beginning. It took a whole lot of determination to actually write this ending once I actually got here, because the pressure for a happy ending is unbelievable when you have an audience looking over your shoulder.

I honestly really do think the comic will be very different if you read it again, perhaps after sleeping on it. But I'm not a pro, and it's entirely possible I bit off more than I could chew. I'm certain that many audience members won't like the ending, and maybe even won't bother to reread the comic to see the story from a new angle.

If you do reread the comic, please do not post spoilers on those early pages. A big part of this is not simply that I tried to conceal the twist, but the fact that I tried to conceal that there was a twist at all. Let's face it, as twists go, this one is really pretty typical. The only reason it is a surprise is because, hopefully, you didn't realize a twist was in the works at all.

Going back and saying "oh, everything can be taken in such a different way once you've seen the ending!" is basically enough to spoil the ending.

That said, feel free to discuss it here, if you like.

As a reminder, I am doing Space Pulp. The twists in that will be significantly more... pulpy and pointless.

Comments:

Jesse 14th Jul 2012, 8:16 PM edit delete reply
I loved the whole ride view. I WILL be reading again. No doubt about it. In my book, you are one of the best writers and artists of all time. And I WILL be reccomending this to people with the taste for this kind of story (ie. all of my friends xD). Thank you once more for the wonderful story.
view 14th Jul 2012, 8:17 PM edit delete reply
view
Well, I'll put a checkmark in the "yay" column instead of the "boo" column!
Sebine 15th Jul 2012, 12:34 AM edit delete reply
Sebine
You need 3 columns
Yay
Boo
Boobies ^_^

My checkmark goes in the Boobies ^_^ column.
view 15th Jul 2012, 12:36 AM edit delete reply
view
Okay. Check.
Matt 15th Jul 2012, 2:10 AM edit delete reply
How about just combining two of the three columns so it is simply, "Yay Boobies ^_^"

I've been following you since the cheerleaders enjoyed the day, and a boy, in a hotspring. I've loved every bit of that comic, and you have not dissappointed here. I look forward to rereading this.
view 15th Jul 2012, 2:12 AM edit delete reply
view
Thanks!
Sheela 15th Jul 2012, 8:36 AM edit delete reply
Sheela
As you might already have guess, I liked the comic very much too, and it's a definate notch in the "yay" column from me too.

Perhaps one in "Yay Boobies ^_^" as well, because it's refreshing to see a serious comic that doesn't avoid the subject of sex.

What really carried the story though, is how lifelike the characters are. Unlike such comics as superhero comicis, which usually have some rather dull personalities, the people in Never Mind The Gap are a real treat to follow. :)

So thank you for an excellent story, and I'll see you in the comments section of spacepulp. :)
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:35 PM edit delete reply
view
Thanks!
Sheela 17th Jul 2012, 11:51 AM edit delete reply
Sheela
@view

Oh no, it's me who's thankful here. :)
CyberSkull 16th Jul 2012, 3:10 AM edit delete reply
CyberSkull
I think I will put my checkmark there too.
JasperWB 14th Jul 2012, 8:19 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
I'm trying to figure out what that means. I think Jim is a sad, sad character now. I feel bad for him. Reminds me of a story of some undertaker who had his wife die and couldn't accept it so he preserved her for years and years with preserves and make up until he was discovered with nothing but a dressed up skeleton like a decade later, still distraught.

And that robot looks like my avatar before an accident. I hope he didn't blow his head off from shock at some point lol
view 14th Jul 2012, 8:22 PM edit delete reply
view
It's the robot writing the book.

I won't make a lot of comments about what I intended people to think of Jim and Mary, only that I intend their opinions to be very different each time they read the comic.
JasperWB 14th Jul 2012, 8:25 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Yeah I'll reread it eventually. Probably be a bit, I have to...digest this. And the implications it carries to actions Jim must have taken at some point. Not to mention how many times he's romanced her. Whether its like reliving memories or being caught in a loop.

So am I an ugly audience member? So ugly I'm cute?
JasperWB 14th Jul 2012, 8:45 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
You know this ending is surprisingly...I think the only word to use here is "acceptable" but I don't want to imply it could be unacceptable. The more I think on it the more it makes sense in this world. Of robotics, lots of gray areas and an end of the world through extremely bad methods.

I guess the only thing left for me to say here as you close up yet another great story is....I hope to see Carol again one day! Hah.
Sheela 15th Jul 2012, 8:39 AM edit delete reply
Sheela
Is it the bartender robot ?

I could just see the bartender robot tell the story to guests. :D
Meh.Aloe 15th Jul 2012, 3:51 PM edit delete reply
@Sheela: Oh my god, that's brilliant! I didn't realise that at all -- of course, it's Kersie! Ahh, and he said he was writing a book when Jim repaired him in one of the first pages!

My goodness that's a wonderful set-up. Thank you for revealing it to me. :P

Hmm... though, why isn't he speaking in underline?
Sheela 17th Jul 2012, 7:50 PM edit delete reply
Sheela
@Meh.Aloe :
Well, I dunno if it is Kersie or not.
But he does pass a resemblance to Kersie, and it's a fun thought to entertain. :)

And maybe he got a voice upgrade ?
Reading In 2015 8th Nov 2015, 11:58 PM edit delete reply
Hee hee. I thought the Robot At The End Of The Book looked enough like Hansel (Hansel's general form factor) that I didn't bother to think it could be anyone else (anyone new, for sure). :-) ... Then, too, it doesn't seem to matter at all WHO is delivering View's message about his hopes -- it's View's words, just being directly passed on by another.

I need to sleep now for work, so let me get this in.
Wo-o-o-o- o - o - w.
That was my reaction on the reveal. And the ending.
I'm impressed -- it made an impression on me.
I ... Think I *will* reread it later ... able to skip all comments this time, which will also make a smoother and faster read.

Like the ending a whole LOT actually:
I saw Mary's fall coming as a possibility while she chided Jim.
Which was, like, only a 1-to-3-second advance warning.
So I am very glad that she's not dead; that that isn't the total end of Mary.
I differ from a lot of the regulars; I see her as the same person in enough of the particulars to see her as the same person. I don't care enough or feel strongly enough about that assessment to argue with anyone or have a (bad) feeling about anyone else's opinion/reaction. It's just my take. In fact, I wouldn't have a problem with frequent backups.
[Note: I recognize that if I was really living in this world, my take might change.]
The amnesia sucks. The aftermath sucks.
But at least she isn't gone. :)

Big long Wo-o-o-w. But not a world-ender for me.

The only question I really have at this point, is whether Mary was originally a human, and a robot copy/clone made of her, or whether she was always a robot. Only because I'm curious about the fact. I would like to know, but which the answer is is not important to me. And of course, in this culture, whether she's human or robot is immaterial. In spite of that, and I have to be really amused with myself, I could not help thinking that Miwa "must be" bummed (especially bummed???) to lose out to a robot, not even a real girl. Not a valid consideration with these folk; but still, there you have it, honesty. *shakes head at self bemusedly* Bringing my own real world reaction to it instead of the one that would obtain with that reality where the robots are truly sentient and truly people. Heh.

An', Gosh I like how Mary's built. Mmmmmmmm... :-)

Thanks a million, View. Be well. Even now in "the future." And in the future.
cattservant 15th Jul 2012, 1:15 AM edit delete reply
cattservant
@JasperWB: Is this the one you are referencing?
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 4:59 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
No not that...well not initially. I'm referring to more of an urban legend I've heard a few times.
Banjo Picker 14th Jul 2012, 8:28 PM edit delete reply
What an amazing story. You know, Mary may have lost a few years but I think Jim will stick right by her. They'd get back together in time. It's a bitter sweet sentiment. Whats the link to the site with the new comic?
cattservant 14th Jul 2012, 8:47 PM edit delete reply
cattservant
Now that the Gap is Never-Minded... Ad Astra!
Gigan 14th Jul 2012, 9:36 PM edit delete reply
I'm... uh... confused. Was Mary always an AI? If so, the body looks to be much, much, much more advanced than anything else around. Does that mean that they have the capability to make robots that look identical to people, but simply don't as an aesthetic choice or not wanting them to be mistaken for people? And of course that the construction dude with the bare arm just wants to show it off.

I'm... guessing from the dialog with the cat that the something happened back during the Great Melt? Did Mary lose her body somehow and Jim remade her, either as a bot or from scratch if she actually got killed? That'd seem to mean that Jim remade Mary, and then... what, they separated? Did everyone else know that Mary was an AI?
view 14th Jul 2012, 9:39 PM edit delete reply
view
The answers are in the story.
Viscount_TUsc 14th Jul 2012, 9:50 PM edit delete reply
Very cool. I will be rereading once I get the time. ^^
Onto Space Pulp! Maybe you'll visit us again at HF one of these days too.
Double ^^
JasperWB 14th Jul 2012, 9:52 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Hmm....She lost her house. XVT reference or is that damn fort of theirs an old deathtrap house from the apocalypse. A place of multiple deaths?
Glendale2x 15th Jul 2012, 1:37 AM edit delete reply
I read it as an indicator of what Mary's baseline is; she still lived in the fort when "Mary" was created from Marina, and that's the baseline she was reset to, which was apparently quite a long time ago based on the decay of the fort-house.
Dasbaron 14th Jul 2012, 9:53 PM edit delete reply
First-time commenter, but I've been reading since the beginning: Put me in the "yay" column too. Quite a mindfuck of an ending, and I'll definitely be rereading the whole thing to see if I can catch more. Great job, View. I'm looking forward to seeing how Space Pulp develops.
view 14th Jul 2012, 9:54 PM edit delete reply
view
-tick-
Paul Goodman 14th Jul 2012, 9:58 PM edit delete reply
Paul Goodman
It's kinda sad that it's over. Also the ending is kinda sad. Wonder what it must be like to be the last man on Earth.
T.J. 14th Jul 2012, 10:55 PM edit delete reply
Wait, hold on, is he actually the last man on earth, or is that just a metaphor? The ending, while awesome, has got me confused a bit and I'm honestly not sure what the heck's going on, besides Mary being an android.
view 14th Jul 2012, 10:56 PM edit delete reply
view
He's not the last man on earth, but the story is a bit impenetrable at times.
Paul Goodman 15th Jul 2012, 8:03 AM edit delete reply
Paul Goodman
Well all of his friends are part bionic :P
Frank 5th Jan 2014, 3:26 PM edit delete reply
It almost seems like he is, though. The mastermind comment - His brain is operating on the level where morality is an abstract that can be constructed and manipulated. He helped kill the old world, survived some terrible, apocalyptic war fought with red goo, and killed people. It seems like most of the people he loved died, some of them several times. And the he's lost the woman he loves at least twice. And while he (and Marina?) were able to construct a fork the fork will never be Marina, can't do what Marina did.

Miwa is sort of the last woman on earth. She's so smart she can predict lightning strikes, manipulate the social life of her tiny little town, and her synesthesia takes the form of 5d math. Sure, she's got a child's crush on Jim, but Jim is probably also one of the only people in the world she can approach as an intellectual equal.

Mary is haunted by the question of whether there is a ghost in her shell.

Jim is in love with three incarnations of the same woman.

Miwa is too smart to form intimate relationships with a good 99.99% of the human population.

It's a lovely story, but at least one read of it is very, very tragic.
cattservant 14th Jul 2012, 10:03 PM edit delete reply
cattservant
Out there in the Future when you have mastered the long angles and are satisfied with the colors, I'm sure many of us would appreciate a sweeping panorama of Nowheresville on the lake and a chapter or two about Metropolitan affairs.
view 14th Jul 2012, 10:08 PM edit delete reply
view
I don't tend to revisit old comics.
cattservant 14th Jul 2012, 10:23 PM edit delete reply
cattservant
You are the authority of record.
cattservant 23rd Jul 2012, 9:10 PM edit delete reply
cattservant
And you haven't had one that needed revisiting until now...
T.Dean 14th Jul 2012, 10:19 PM edit delete reply
Out of the hundreds of books n stories I read in my life I have a hand-full that I go back to. NMTG is now one of them. Thank you View. Keep following your own path.
view 14th Jul 2012, 10:20 PM edit delete reply
view
Thanks
Prestidigititis 14th Jul 2012, 10:23 PM edit delete reply
Prestidigititis
Congratulations, view, and well done. And thanks, again.

I didn't feel a twist coming, for what it's worth, and I don't feel that it much affected my opinion of the comic when it came up. I'm already kind of curious to see how it'll affect my re-reading of it, because I do intend to re-read it, after a break.

In movies, when there's been a big twist reveal handled well, it shakes my understanding of the whole so much that I am in a rush to rewatch everything and adjust my perceptions and memories as soon as possible. I don't feel that here, but I don't know if it's because the twist isn't a huge one (by your own admission) or if it's a facet of the pace I grew used to since following early on. It doesn't matter really, it's just an interesting observation.

Your comic is/was great to read along the way. You had me enthralled and confused (remember my early troubles...gad...) and displeased (Miwa) and tickled at any number of moments in the story. Overall it was a great, fun comic to follow along. I just hope it was satisfying to you to have made it, and it served its purposes for you as an artist. Because I do think you're a fine talent, and I'm sure you will continue to deliver good work. Maybe even something mindblowing.

I look forward to SpaaaacePuuuuulp. And thanks again for the sweet icon.
view 14th Jul 2012, 10:25 PM edit delete reply
view
Thanks for the thought-filled comment!
pensivedragon 14th Jul 2012, 10:31 PM edit delete reply
pensivedragon
*squints at view*
Alright, I am going to take up your challenge and re-read the series to see if I can spot any new insights this ending gives.

With that said however, and the ending notwithstanding (it is still sinking in).
this has been an amazing story. I have REALLY enjoyed reading a webcomic that was designed and executed as a full story, rather than one that just drags on and on with nothing changing. It kept it fresh, interesting, and a must read.

You have more than earned a spot in my daily schedule for as long as you are producing stories that are even close to as good as Never Mind the Gap has been.
I look forward to seeing what you do with Space Pulp.

Good luck View, you have earned a loyal fan.
view 14th Jul 2012, 10:49 PM edit delete reply
view
Yay!
pancake 14th Jul 2012, 11:05 PM edit delete reply
i must admit, you got me. i did not expect this at all. i'm still not sure how i feel about it, i'll have to sleep on it and probably reread the story.

anyhow, congratulations on finishing a project of this scale! i enjoyed it very much!
DarkGod75 14th Jul 2012, 11:26 PM edit delete reply
DarkGod75
Loved it all, really makes you think of what you read. One thing I wonder is if the memories Mary had actually happened and she was just placed into them, or are they farce.
view 14th Jul 2012, 11:29 PM edit delete reply
view
The answers are in the flashback...
JasperWB 14th Jul 2012, 11:56 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Just so I know for when I reread, we talking the actual Mary flashback or flashback in a looser sense? Like the many times characters reminisce.

And there are some beautiful comments on this page. Makes me feel like mine are angry crayon scribblings disrupting a flowing page of fountain pen calligraphy!
Dasbaron 15th Jul 2012, 12:09 AM edit delete reply
I'd like to know this too. I reread the entire story, then I read "Filling in the Past" over and over several times, but I still can't find any clues to what the answers are. Can't figure out what I'm missing.
view 15th Jul 2012, 12:13 AM edit delete reply
view
They're there, in Mary's flashback. You may have to sleep on it.
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 12:39 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
I actually took a little siesta and when I woke up the ending seemed a lot more sad for me. For Jim and "Mary". Jim is surrounded by a loving town but he chooses to stay alone with the closest thing he can ever have to the one he loved long ago. And only he knows how alone he is.
pensivedragon 15th Jul 2012, 12:38 AM edit delete reply
pensivedragon
Alright, I am making a list as I re-read it about stuff that stands out differently now...

hmmm, on rereading it I do not find myself with any new understandings, just more questions...

- Is Miwa actually human? or more accuratly actually have a human brain? I mean you have said she has cybernetic parts. But rereading the starting chapters, it kinda sounds like she underwent a simliar birthday type body upgrade to what gretel went through. With comments like "We are not used to you as an adult" and "I am too old for you now" make it seem in retrospect like she just got her body upgraded (her birthday had only been a week before)
- who made Mary's body? Or is Mary's body even robotic? She mentions that her breasts are made of flab. Hmmm, several panels later she blames jim for making her fat. Is that literal, IS jim actually the one that made her...? Later, she also mentions that he 'made her' like sex too much. So I am thinking that yes, jim is the one that built her. That does make her comment about the last time he saw her naked being years ago a little strange though. Unless that was when she was built? But then who does she go to for maintenence? Oh wait, she mentioned that she did not find Dr. Frankenstien creepy (whatever his name was) so I guess she goes to him?
-In the same scene she makes jim toast with eggs, but eats none herself. So I guess Jim is human at least.
-Why does Marina wear a diving mask?
- Why was piers not brought back too?
-Hmm, miwa had some (or all?) of her brain replaced after she got fried, and became smarter, why did Mari become dumber?
-Oh? whats this? Apparently I missed a page last time i read the comic. Jim and Estaban are talking about the metropolis melt... Jim feels he caused it, could this be when he killed a bunch of people over a thumb drive?
- Mary mentions her brain getting addled in the metropolis melt, is this when she died? but, if she was hit by XVT, wouldnt there be nothing left of her to turn into a robot?

On a related note to the ending, have you ever read the manga Battle Angel Alita?


Anyway... Yea. Just lots of new questions. Lol. However After reading it all again I am yet again reminded of just how GOOD the characters are, and the subtle expressions and details you put into your work. Fantastic.

And after letting it sink in... Not a fan of the ending. But thats not because its bad, just I have a personal pet peeve with memory loss. And to have it multiple times in the same story, as well as to end on it... Sigh... oh well.
Just like steven kings dark tower series, an amazing ride with an annoying ending.

Still, if you ever further explore this universe, either with sequels, prequels, side stories or whatever, i will read the hell out of them. So take my disappointment with the ending with a grain of salt :)
view 15th Jul 2012, 12:44 AM edit delete reply
view
The big question is your last one. The answer is in the flashback!

;_;
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 12:49 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Yeah I really wonder if she is a completely new construct or just a very, very complex cyborg that is like only "half a human" now. If its the latter I like it because its Jim loving Mary for who she still is, was, and will be. She may be little like her old self but she still is Mary. Like people who suffer traumatic brain injuries. It shows that she and him really do love each other more than anyone can know. I really initially thought this was the way it was based on her superficial injuries at the end.

If she is a complete rebuild by Jim based on his perception of her, it really is a sad ending. I only now am thinking that may be the crushing truth. A robot made to recapture a human which can never be either because of its design and will never be Mary because its all built from Jim and his broken heart. It may as well be a different person because its built of what only Jim knows. Like a ghost or zombie of some kind. It's really so sad and I feel for Jim so much.
view 15th Jul 2012, 12:51 AM edit delete reply
view
Ahhh, I think somebody will figure it out. I really didn't think people would miss it.
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 12:54 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
I'm looking for it. I've reread the flashback and a number of pages with dialog referring to the old days. I'm going to pick through it again. I think I may have an idea where things change a bit, but I'm going to get it eventually dammit. I have to or it will eat at me. I don't it has anything to do with her disease.
Dasbaron 15th Jul 2012, 12:58 AM edit delete reply
Keep us informed. I really hope you do figure something out, cuz I'm certainly having a hell of a time and very little luck :P
pensivedragon 15th Jul 2012, 12:56 AM edit delete reply
pensivedragon
But i Just read all the flashbacks several times, and I still do not see it >_<
5th times the charm?
view 15th Jul 2012, 12:58 AM edit delete reply
view
Alright, there's really only one plot point in the flashback. I didn't put it in so that the anarchists could beat up a fat guy.
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 1:01 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Wait. She never had the disease? Was she always a robot? Made by Jim and/or Piers? The ultimate robot?
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:03 AM edit delete reply
view
NO.
pensivedragon 15th Jul 2012, 1:06 AM edit delete reply
pensivedragon
Alright, so it has to do with the perverted doctor and mary's brain.

option 1) he did not infact put nanites in her brain and instead completly replaced her brain with a computer.
option 2) He DID put nanites in her brain, but there were adverse side affects and her brain was dying, so jim transfered mary as best he could into a robotic brain, frying her human one in the process just like they do with robot to robot brain transfer...
option 3...?
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:09 AM edit delete reply
view
It's simpler than that, but at least you have the basics.
Dasbaron 15th Jul 2012, 1:14 AM edit delete reply
Maybe the Vett's disease did so much damage to her body in those long hours when she and Jim were being denied medical attention, that she had to have cybernetic parts attached to replace the limbs and whatnot that the disease rendered useless, and her brain was also damaged enough that something similar was done to it. Maybe?
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 1:12 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Well I don't think she actuallychad the disease. I think they were combing for information from the doctor. It has to do with prions so that's how I wondered if she was always robotic. Either way they needed data and he looked like a fool because he cured nothing. Possibly killed her.
Who? What? 15th Jul 2012, 1:25 AM edit delete reply
Re-reading the flashback and the Spider-tank episode, I'm guessing that the XVT outbreak started with Mary or she was tied to it in some way? That or else she succumbed to the disease as they escaped.
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 1:20 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
I believe option 2 is the right one. Good job figuring it out! I obviously added nothing here. You know, honest, there was a time I figured stuff like this out rather than jumping off the deep end with crazy theories.
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:21 AM edit delete reply
view
Prions are a kind of protein. Robots don't have any.
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 1:27 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Yes. That's why I thought they may want information on them. They were trying to adapt them or something.

I don't know. I always look foolish don't I? Lol
pensivedragon 15th Jul 2012, 1:33 AM edit delete reply
pensivedragon
Ok, so. here is what I got so far for evidence.

At the start of the flashback she is doing physial therepy, having just got out of a wheelchair. Her disease is being cured. She can now walk with the help of only a cane.
Near the end of the flashback she is back in a wheelchair, and the doctor is angry at her (Not sure why though, how did she embarrass him?). Either the 'cure' is having adverse side effects, or the doctor is purposefully hurting her (hence why indivision have to get control of the nanites). Either way, I am assumming jim finds out it can not be stopped, and tries to save mary by putting her into a robot brain...
So the simple version you alluded to is...?
Mary brain go boom, jim fix? lol.

It begs the question though, how long ago was mary rebuilt? because at the begginng of the comic it feels like she has just been re-introduced to jim fairly recently (like weeks, or a couple months)

So, did her reconstruction take a long time, was the flashback not that long ago, or did a similar event happen that reset her brain just prior to the comic starting?
Or, am i completely off base? lol.
Glendale2x 15th Jul 2012, 1:33 AM edit delete reply
I was going to say in a previous panel that "Marina is the genius, Mary is the post-accident idiot". But with the twist revealed (and I didn't see any coming) I'm going to revise that to:

* Marina was the human child genius
* Mary is an AI construct based on Marina

So "Mary" the robot and "Marina" is always flesh and blood. Mary has memories and traits of Marina, but Mary isn't Marina in whole.
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 1:37 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Now these two posts above me. That's some real food for thought. That Mary/Marina thing is quite interesting.
Dasbaron 15th Jul 2012, 1:41 AM edit delete reply
Characters in the first few chapters call her "Marina", though. Unless we're assuming she was robotified sometime during the story itself, and not in the past.
Glendale2x 15th Jul 2012, 1:46 AM edit delete reply
I think only Jim knows that "Mary" isn't Marina. Everyone else probably thinks it's just a nickname for Marina.

She baseline reset to when they were living in the fort-house place (it was destroyed, she thinks her home was destroyed, she doesn't know she has a real house), so that's probably when the Mary AI was first created.
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:49 AM edit delete reply
view
Ahhhh... now you're out of the "IT'S IN THE FLASHBACK" whimper and into the "it's scattered throughout the story."
Glendale2x 15th Jul 2012, 2:29 AM edit delete reply
Well, in the flashback where the doctor punches her she appears to have a nosebleed from it, that to me says "all human" at that point.
view 15th Jul 2012, 2:33 AM edit delete reply
view
That's why it's there. :D
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 2:35 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
She has superficial cuts in the end couple pages back. That's why I thought she may still be part human.

And to be fair view, you did direct us answer hungry masses to the flashback. Like crucial answers were all there. And we followed in a mob.
view 15th Jul 2012, 2:38 AM edit delete reply
view
Does she?

Well, she's definitely not bleeding.
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 2:49 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
I don't know. It's getting hard to look at the last few pages. The ending is sad and the twist a shock and now I'm realizing the story really is over. It's like when you say goodbye to someone, and it only really starts to get to you hours after the fact!
Glendale2x 15th Jul 2012, 2:58 AM edit delete reply
Mary falling into the fort (thereby destroying what her baseline thinks is "home") is definitely all robotic. It looks like patches to me. Her arm was certainly de-skinned. No bleeding. All synthetic. No fleshy parts would have survived that kind of crushing.

I'm guessing Mary lost somewhere between 5 to 10 years in the reset to defaults. And the reason she can't hold molecules in her head is due to her original brain fry since Mary is based on a real human, not a robot that will grow up and form its own matrix like Esteban's kid. (EDIT: Jim says "different person" 10 years ago near the beginning, so I'm going to guess the reset to defaults was 10 years.)

I think Miwa is all (mostly) human and was simply struck by lightening with the damaged parts being replaced with synthetics. People have been struck by lightning without brain damage. As far as the Miwa "birthday transfer" theory goes, well, robot parts aren't going to grow in sync with her biological parts since it happened when she was young so eventually it'll all need upgrading to a new size.

"Transhumanists" were mentioned in the flashback chapter. Maybe there's where Marina was AI-ified into Mary, except not all of her made the move.
view 15th Jul 2012, 3:04 AM edit delete reply
view
You and the name-changing anonymous poster are definitely the most in-synch with me. Not everything you've said is correct, but it's all in the right direction.
Glendale2x 15th Jul 2012, 3:10 AM edit delete reply
It's probably as simple as Marina was critically injured, Jim tried to save her but couldn't save all of her or was under too much time pressure to do a thorough job.
cattservant 15th Jul 2012, 1:33 AM edit delete reply
cattservant
@view: Don't let them nudge you. Make 'em think for the answer!

And RE: "They buying it?"; All the way up to the reel!
pensivedragon 15th Jul 2012, 1:38 AM edit delete reply
pensivedragon
It's hard! :P
And I am still a little confused, does mary have a human body at all? She wears a breather mask under water, and her breasts are made of flab, and she can drink and get drunk.
Or... did/does she NOT know she is a robot?
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 1:44 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
She acknowledges repairs on herself. She must know. And I'd bet a number of people in town do as well.
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:44 AM edit delete reply
view
You seem to think the mask was a breather mask...
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 1:51 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Hmm. Was she closer to the uplifted octopi than we think? The whole "new ways for robots to think". A real reason she was heading that project up. Or am I about to look really stupid again?
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:53 AM edit delete reply
view
:D
Dasbaron 15th Jul 2012, 2:07 AM edit delete reply
So then, she was "uplifted" from the damage Vett's disease did to her? Or is it something else?
pensivedragon 15th Jul 2012, 1:55 AM edit delete reply
pensivedragon
WEll, I recall vents in it (which i assumed at the time were an intake), and it covered the whole face. IF she did not need it to breath she could have gone with just goggles, or no eyeware for that matter. if she has artificial eyes, it would be a simple matter to make them suitable for diving, just like wearing underwater contact lenses like we can now.
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:57 AM edit delete reply
view
It's not terribly important, but it's so she can talk and have it translated to octopus low frequency weird language.
Glendale2x 17th Jul 2012, 1:09 AM edit delete reply
The lack of a breather mask wouldn't say robot to me at all; the lake doesn't seem that deep and free-diving is a thing.
cattservant 15th Jul 2012, 1:50 AM edit delete reply
cattservant
As a data point; her hair was apparently growing in the flashback sequence.
pancake 17th Jul 2012, 1:32 PM edit delete reply
"You guessed right about the goggles. I've been obscuring it just because I didn't want to have to talk about it much, but that's a full face mask, not just goggles. It only has a little air in it, but it's enough for the 5m depths she's diving at now.

She, uh, she doesn't have gills."

that's some dancing around the truth, View. almost on the verge of lying, but not quite there. i'm awed, frankly.
view 18th Jul 2012, 3:15 AM edit delete reply
view
Sorry, I did a lot of that.
Valatar 15th Jul 2012, 2:16 AM edit delete reply
I have it. "We have control of your nanites now." Mary WAS the melt. The nanites in her went into uncontrolled replication and ate the city. So no more Mary. And no more city. And Jim killing soldiers in a desperate attempt to secure the data to stop the nanites and save her.
Who? What? 15th Jul 2012, 2:58 AM edit delete reply
<a href="http://nmg.thecomicseries.com/comics/198">198 second to last panel</a> "Vett's disease is prion based, and the exact shape of the prion! The cure is being deployed even now." My guess is that this is the source of XVT.

Also would explain Mary's reaction in Panel 4 on <a href="http://nmg.thecomicseries.com/comics/95">95</a>. And why Jim asks her if she's a different person than 10 years ago on <a href="http://nmg.thecomicseries.com/comics/96">96</a>, after the kids start talking about XVT. When the big Melt happened, Marina was melted. Mary is a construct of her and explains why everyone keeps referring to her as a different person after the accident.
view 15th Jul 2012, 3:02 AM edit delete reply
view
Sorry, name-changing anonymous, HTML doesn't work right. The tag is [url]

The good news is that you are really on the ball! Not about the source of XVT, but everything else.
Who? What? 15th Jul 2012, 4:44 AM edit delete reply
Name-changing anon. Heh. I'll have you know I haven't changed my anon name yet. ;) Anyway, I believe that 352 explains everything as Mary rants. "Our army is already in your homes! Serving you tea! Folding your clothes!" This obviously is either the doctor or someone in the military telling Marina about XVT or something else. It sounds to me that the nanites used to cure Vett's disease was the cause of the Melt, XVT or not. Pretty devious to use a vaccine as a means to wage war if that's the case.
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 4:56 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Hmm. Melt was on purpose to kill the resistance of anarchists, namely Quantum Jim. Only Jim "lived" in the normal, unharmed sense. That would really support my survivor's guilt sub-theory
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 3:04 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
See now I like this theory but in my mind I'm wondering about the spider tank and the black sludge. First, they both seem to be technology that's been around for a while. A long while. I don't believe that the ten years tops between Mary getting cured and the present day (less maybe since tech on such a large scale stopped at the apocalypse) was enough time for XVT to be weaponized on such a scale, melt so much, get out of control, and have the evil sludge and then cleanup bacteria tailored to control a full disaster. Plus we see young Mary, piers, and Jim talking about melting. Years before the Better Disease thing. I buy that Mary caused a melt, but not that it all started with her.
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 3:10 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
What I wonder is did Mary die with, before, or after Piers. I'm kinda starting to think maybe he helped rebuild her. I think either the group wanted her back and they all chipped in, or most of them died and Jim has a kind of survivors guilt and of course he misses Mary.
Valatar 15th Jul 2012, 3:14 AM edit delete reply
Under my theory, Mary's melt wasn't XVT or the cleanup sludge. It was a grey goo event. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo A tragedy completely unrelated to the other problems the world had been having.
Guest 15th Jul 2012, 2:27 AM edit delete reply
I'm wondering if Jim's theory on non destructive copies based loosely on music had something to do with Mary's brain.
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 2:55 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Ok someone needs to pick up, and then hold the phone for me. Was Mr. dulapel's post on the other page correct about the Mary/Marina relation here?
Fox 15th Jul 2012, 3:46 AM edit delete reply
I almost wonder if the fact that she had the nanites is the reason she could be AI'd. They got control of them, after all...or maybe they just have brain-to-AI tech we didn't see.
view 15th Jul 2012, 3:50 AM edit delete reply
view
:D :D :D
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 3:53 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Ooh. Sounds like that's so, too! That means it is still the same Mary just transferred to live on as an AI. But the real Mary personality. That makes me happy. For the ending and Jim!
cattservant 15th Jul 2012, 4:16 AM edit delete reply
cattservant
Relationships can be complex in The Future.* Lots of time and options...



*(If they want them to be.)
Valatar 15th Jul 2012, 4:14 AM edit delete reply
Okay, mildly revised timeline:

1. Nanites go in Marina.
2. Jim steals Marina from asshole doctor.
3. They go to Metropolis.
4. Marina and Metropolis melt when nanites turn into jerks.
5. Military, in course of studying the nanites, finds Marina encoded in them somewhere.
6. Jim goes all ninja commando to get the Marina data from the military.
7. Jim uses the data to model Mary.
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 4:25 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
I don't think everything the story mentioned had to do with rebuilding Mary. I think some details were just details. I.e. the killing 47 marines thing. However, I do think Piers is more important than originally thought since this revelation. It's just a feeling of mine.
Valatar 15th Jul 2012, 5:24 AM edit delete reply
Jim really doesn't strike me as the sort of person who would go and murder dozens of people without someone important to them being on the line.
pkrankow 15th Jul 2012, 4:36 AM edit delete reply
pkrankow
Wow, what a story. Thank you for sharing. There are a lot of subtle clues that Jim built Mary. Somehow Marina was copied, or recreated into Mary. I don't get what the original incident was though.
edit: pointed out by others the nanites, the destruction of Metropolis, and the Fort

Miwa never was a human.

Something happened and Mary was reset to "factory default" just prior to the first page page wasn't she?

Lingering question, why is Jim so young? The events occurred over decades...so Jim is no longer a human either?
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:39 PM edit delete reply
view
Such insight!

But aging is a relatively small thing, when you get to these tech levels.
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 5:55 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Is it wrong this is keeping me awake? Just...thinking about everything, and a bit on the sad side over it. Plus just heard "Jody and the Kid" and that song is forever this comics theme to me.
Suicide King 15th Jul 2012, 6:41 AM edit delete reply
Hmm... am I dense? When the fort fell down, was Mary actually damaged enough to be reset?
I read it as if she was not. Basically, when Jim leans his head on her back, he is relieved that her power hasn't been interrupted. Or has she just been reset in the final pages?
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 6:51 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
I think that single red light was probably a red light on what mattered most. I mean they went from sleeping together naked back to her punching him for peeking at her underwear.
Guest 15th Jul 2012, 6:52 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, rereading it a bit I just came to the same conclusion. Those lights are supposed to be all green.
Damn, now I'm sad.
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 7:00 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
I know what you mean. This twist ending really is sticking with me.
tteclod 15th Jul 2012, 6:46 AM edit delete reply
Forview,

I've got issues with the story, but its your story, not mine, and you've told it well. Unlike many of your commentors, I'm not interested in the details of the why's, how's, and wherefore's; like you, I won't revisit this comic now that you're done.

And, having said all that, I repeat my assertion that your work, while unique, is much like Chuck Austen's. NMTG themes about memory, giult, and responsibility are especially like his Flywires.

You do good work. With your permission, I'll drop a bound printed copy at my local library.
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:40 PM edit delete reply
view
You're welcome to, although I don't know why you'd bother.
pancake 16th Jul 2012, 12:09 AM edit delete reply
i think the reason is that, for me at least, this story qualifies as a true Science Fiction novel of the old sort (in comic book form).

by that i mean that the 'novel' is about the world around the characters and about a profound, thought provoking idea (human-robot interchangeability) and less about the characters themselves. (that is not to say that the characters are flat or not thought out, but rather that they are a tool to bring about the message and describe the world.)

for me, these are the hallmarks of good science fiction.

of course, this is just my interpretation and i haven't reread the story yet (i have a day off tomorrow, i'll do it then, promise) so it might change.
tteclod 19th Jul 2012, 2:35 AM edit delete reply
I'll get them printed by next week. Would you like your real name on it?
view 19th Jul 2012, 3:39 AM edit delete reply
view
You're really printing it out? I don't know whether the low res versions here are suitable. If so, that's good. If not, I could spend an hour or so and extract the full size PNGs. The difficulty is getting them to you.
Sheela 24th Jul 2012, 9:29 AM edit delete reply
Sheela
@view
Puting it up as a torrent would probably work best.

Maybe add a page with info on where it's on the 'net and stuff like that.
Guest 15th Jul 2012, 7:08 AM edit delete reply
Does anyone have the page where he talks about killing Marines?

Also, does this affect the relationship with Miwa at all?
Guest 15th Jul 2012, 7:31 AM edit delete reply
WOAH, WAIT. When Jack says "a boring hospital visit" and "a boring proposition", is he talking about proposing to the ill person a memory transfer?

http://nmg.thecomicseries.com/comics/58
Who? What? 15th Jul 2012, 7:51 AM edit delete reply
No, I don't think Jack was referring to that on Page 58. I think he was references old romance movies. I also doubt that Marina would have had enough time to devise a means of transferring her memory like that since it sounds like XVT pretty much 'melts' things upon contact as evidence after the tank battle.

Damn View, you're going to have to give us an official timeline or something because there's a whole bunch of questions I have now, like how was Jim able to transfer memories? The nanites? How could the nanites retain that kind of information from Marina? Unless Jim programmed her from his recollections, but then how is Mary able to recall things said to her prior to her 'melting'? Argh, View is there a hint anywhere in this series that explains how he did it?
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:41 PM edit delete reply
view
I intended to imply that the nanites scanned her continuously on a molecular level. Apparently, that didn't come out clearly.
Meh.Aloe 15th Jul 2012, 4:17 PM edit delete reply
Oh! I'm now wondering if the "hospital visit" part is because eventually Jim will grow old and die, while Mary will not...
Reading In 2015 9th Nov 2015, 9:55 AM edit delete reply
"Oh! I'm now wondering if the "hospital visit" part is because eventually Jim will grow old and die, while Mary will not..."

Nah, just a thing that happens in romcoms (romantic comedy movies), like, "ALL the damn time". [That's just in quotes to denote hyperbole, not quoting a character here.] See page 58 if you haven't just. Proposing marriage to someone in the hospital -- whether the proposer thinks they're about to die or just got the news that they'll live or never had to worry about death -- is a common device in the movies. (that's all)
ravenor78 15th Jul 2012, 7:16 AM edit delete reply
ravenor78
NOW THAT'S A GOOD ENDING, at least now i understand the title "never mind the gap" refering to the gap in marys memory at the end. Also brilliant to have us reread to get a different experience from reading it twice!
Meh.Aloe 15th Jul 2012, 4:18 PM edit delete reply
OH. The title! I did not think of that at all. Awesome.
G-Rock 15th Jul 2012, 8:09 AM edit delete reply
G-Rock
...

I guess I'll start by saying "Yay" so view can add another tick mark.

Initially (about half an hour ago) when I first saw the twist I was speechless, apart from a sound combining surprise and immediate frustration.

Having a connection to someone and then having it cleanly cut off; wanting what was but knowing it will never be exactly the same; having to put effort into not saying "well, this is what we did before", and having to resist the urge to reenact past events in hopes of the same outcome; to say the ending was disheartening from Jim's perspective is an understatement. The fact that he can suck it up (at least initially) and start picking up the pieces says a lot about him. The only person who's frustration might rival Jim's at this point is Miwa.

It's 3 AM by me, and combined with the fact that view found the kindest possible way to bum me the fuck out, I'm now physically and mentally exhausted.

I have a lot of words, mostly positive and productive, but I'll save them for tomorrow (hopefully) when I'm more coherent. For now I'm just going to go to bed with a knot in my chest.
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:42 PM edit delete reply
view
Yeah, I wanted a proper ending. Don't worry, Space Pulp will have a stupid cheery ending. I think.
Guest 15th Jul 2012, 9:39 AM edit delete reply
So Mary's continuist attitude was actually directly applicable to herself...
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:42 PM edit delete reply
view
:D
Meddy 15th Jul 2012, 9:55 AM edit delete reply
Um, wow.

This was a good story. Though even after reading the comments I'm not sure I got everything, so I'll definitely be re-reading it.

AT LEAST once.
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:42 PM edit delete reply
view
Thanks!
Meddy 15th Aug 2012, 9:47 PM edit delete reply
Finally found a day to re-binge the comic. Combined with the comments here, I think I've got it now.
Ugh 15th Jul 2012, 10:00 AM edit delete reply
Well, I don't know if I'm the first, but definitely put a tic in the big ole dislike column for the ending. The end was so abrupt. It's like waiting hours in line for a roller coaster just to find out you're ending up on the tea cups.

I really did enjoy the rest of the comic. Hoping that I enjoy the direction you take Space Pulp more.
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:43 PM edit delete reply
view
I think you will.
AlexFrost 15th Jul 2012, 10:16 AM edit delete reply
Ok, i'm confused... very very very confused. And so intrigued about the story that i'm going to print it and reread it multiple times.. and maybe, print the comments too XD
Soooo.. could you please post an archive file with all the pages? :)
Also, if you want money for it, it's ok. really o.o

Alex Frost

(P.S. sorry for my bad english , i hope i didn't too many errors.. XD)
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:43 PM edit delete reply
view
Ahhh, it's hard to find a file sharing service these days. The full comic is quite large.
AlexFrost 16th Jul 2012, 1:59 PM edit delete reply
Ok, thank you.
I'll download it page by page XD
TorpedoBench 15th Jul 2012, 10:28 AM edit delete reply
Absolutely loved the comic, View. I'm sad for Jim and Mary, but the last panel left me feeling warm (if you'll pardon the pun). I look forward to reading space pulp, and you're an awesome and sexy human being/hotdog.
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:43 PM edit delete reply
view
Thanks!
pancake 15th Jul 2012, 10:31 AM edit delete reply
i slept on it and i came to the conclusion that i like the ending. i really do. more than anything because it shows how much you thought the story through.
it's sad that Mary and Jim's relationship got 'deleted' like that, but at least they have another chance.

one thing that came to mind is Mary, when seeing Gretel's body squeaking during tests, was talking about thinking someone died. at the time i thought that was the common belief in that town but now i wonder if her being a robot had anything to do with that worldview and that it's not as common as i thought.
view 15th Jul 2012, 1:44 PM edit delete reply
view
:D
pancake 15th Jul 2012, 6:16 PM edit delete reply
i thought about it some more and i think the reverse is actually true. the reveal at the end is the last nail in the coffin of there being a distinction between humans and robots since we, the audience, couldn't tell them apart. the true turing test, so to speak.

i don't know if your intention was to raise the possibility that humans and AI could not only coexist but also be interchangeable and indistinguishable, but it was raised spectacularly.
view 15th Jul 2012, 6:32 PM edit delete reply
view
That was part of it, yeah.
Sheela 3rd Aug 2012, 9:39 PM edit delete reply
Sheela
Never noticed this comment, but I also thought about the comic being a sort of reverse turing test.

Ie. how humans can be almost indistinguisable from robots. :)
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 2:21 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
I slept on it. Still of the opinion that if Mary has roughly the same brain as Marina, via the nanites or futuristic brain copying stuff, but for sure her same intact personality then the story ending is kinda sad but overall ends with hope. I can accept it. But if Mary is a complete rebuild the ending is a crushingly depressing one that really, really makes me sad for Jim and makes me stare out my window longingly. Either way though, what a twist!

Also dreamed you started a new comic about fortune cookies made in the future that actually had the fortunes come true. All fortunes also had something to do with dinosaurs as well...
Reading In 2015 9th Nov 2015, 10:11 AM edit delete reply
... responding as if I was having an on-going conversation, though I won't, 'cause why not? ...

JasperWB, I don't think it matters if we think it's the "same" person or a "new" person after a reset -- here's this person in front of us, who is acting and reacting as we see here, and we just take her from there, Mary.

Ummm, but you might be meaning your comments to be addressing something other than that, as I glance at them again. Where you say "complete rebuild", you don't mean "restoration, new quantum mind built from a backup", do you now? You mean a painstaking writing of a program from scratch, just *tr-y-y-y-y-y-y-ing* to get it right, don't you? Seems pretty clear that's not necessary, but even if it were, Jim seems to be accepting of the result, right? So we're still at the same pragmatic point; work to do to restore the best version of Mary that we can, and deal with the memory loss as we go from there.

So, reading your reaction, I think *you* can confidently accept things and acknowledge the hope, JasperWB. What *you* say would make *you* crushingly depresses and stare out your window longingly ... isn't here.

Whatever the in-between, what (well, who) we have here is the result, and it gives cause for hope. They're together, talking, and starting out true to themselves. (And if we've *only* lost the time in the comic, as some have proposed and seems like a realistic possibility, then very little time has been lost, really, some number of days days that I'm not going back to count. Not even weeks or months, though.)
Glendale2x 15th Jul 2012, 2:46 PM edit delete reply
So the nanites did have something to do with it; I thought they caused her condition back during the "I was a genius" reveal. I guess I get partial credit or something. It turns out they allowed Marina to be transferred, but it couldn't have been a whole copy since the "genius" part of Marina clearly didn't make it into Mary the AI.

It's been established that XVT doesn't melt non-bio. I'd say Marina was melted/killed outright, but Jim recovered her nanites to create Mary.
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 5:09 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
How terrible. That would explain why he felt compelled to recreate het though. The nanites were already there. Her mind was still intact. But could you imagine sitting there recovering nanites from God knows what kind of goo or dying person? Poor Jim.
Glendale2x 15th Jul 2012, 6:23 PM edit delete reply
Mostly intact, anyway.
pancake 15th Jul 2012, 6:37 PM edit delete reply
i'm pretty sure the nanites transmitted the data somewhere and not kept it themselves localy, at least that's the current approach with nanites (as far as i'm aware) - they're too small to contain a lot of data but transmitters can be made tiny as hell.

that might also explain why Jim killed a bunch of guys for a thumbdrive, but that might be reaching.
view 15th Jul 2012, 6:40 PM edit delete reply
view
:)
Glendale2x 15th Jul 2012, 6:42 PM edit delete reply
As long as it's a quantum thumbdrive then I believe it.
Felix 15th Jul 2012, 3:22 PM edit delete reply
Felix
I would've done the same as Jim in his position.

I thoroughly enjoyed the comic, my only issue being that the ending was brought a little quicker than I would've liked, ideally.

Whilst it was hardly shocking, (at one point, I thought you were going to make it that humanity had been wiped out and everybody was a cyborg in denial) it was a good, conclusive ending.
Meh.Aloe 15th Jul 2012, 4:00 PM edit delete reply
I will definitely re-read it. I feel like all the pieces are there but I do not yet entirely understand! Though some of the comments above give hints to key details I have forgotten...

But anyway: This was an awesome, awesome story. I loved the writing, the characters, and the world-building, and even if I don't remember all the details right now, there was definitely a sense that the story was well-planned, which was great. It's definitely one of those stories that stick in your head, and form that library of books that lives only in your memories and that forms a part of the colour of your world forever. :)

Thank you very much for all the time and effort you spent creating this and sharing it, and also for participating in the discussions. I wish I contributed more productively to them! But they were fun to read always.

The ending is very poignant. I like it. It's sad, but in a good way, and in a way that makes the story feel truly complete. It's one of those rare cases where I'm sad to see a story end because it was so much fun to be reading it, but at the same time I find the ending satisfying, and so am happy that it ended the way it did. A bitter-sweet feeling.

I'm also happy that it's the kind of story that benefits from extra readings! Yay, I get to go through it again.

I am looking forward to exploring your next comic.

Hugs! :)
view 15th Jul 2012, 5:04 PM edit delete reply
view
Thanks!
WhiteAier 15th Jul 2012, 5:52 PM edit delete reply
Okay I decided to go back and read the whole comic through again before making a comment on everything in general. I was impressed by a lot of the dialogue that seemed like normal cultural exchange but really had deeper meaning to it. Things like Jake mentioning that Mary's brain was full of Line Noise; Gisele saying she'd become a better swimmer. It all comments you don't read into until you've seen the end. 

One question I do have is about what Jake said about Jim and Mary's relationship. Before it seemed like a joke what with Jim poking fun at him watching Romantic Comedies, but knowing what we know makes me curious. Has Mary really been reset 47 times? 

Another question would be if Vetts Disease only effects humans or robots? I  ask mainly since if that effects humans as we normally assumed, then that gives a different feel to the comic with this second. Affecting neurological functions sounds like an effect to humans. If Mary was human at some point, this likely means she either died from Vetts or when Piers did to (assuming he's human too). Then Jim unable to cope has rebuilt her in a synthetic sense over and over. Jim is already pretty tragic if he's reset Mary 47 times; reconstructing her as a robot would only add more. Either way I love Jim and this underlying depth you've given him. 

Piers I assume is human. Mainly since if he was a robot like Mary (or current Mary) that he would be reconstructed as well. But having a permanent death seems like he was human. Then again Mary did say during Gretel's party that she hated the transfer. That it was just a copy, not the real thing. So maybe she didn't want Piers to be remade. 

Either way I'm going to assume that Piers was a human. That if Mary wasn't really his human sister to begin with; then it was a robot he made. Likely for companionship after losing their home. A robot he built, and then Jim continues to maintain. Since it's out right said both are smart enough to do so. If Mary's current body was made by Jim, it sheds light on Mary blaming him for her faaaatt. Seen as a cute joke the first read then a truthful statement the next.

I also find it amazing how similar Mary and Miwa are. They are both respected geniuses in their field and strong women to boot. Both having gone through rehabilitation to gain their life back even. It's strange knowing that the first time through we see Miwa as the villain so to speak. But now she's more of a victim in a sense. If Mary has always been a robot, you could almost say that Miwa is a human equivalent. Yet Jim still is unable to see her. 

But I think Jim has become so lost in the idea of Mary. I do think the end it suggests that she died in the Metropolis Melt along with Piers. Only to be remade by Jim. Hence why she notes that she can no longer hold on to the molecules anymore. It's even implied in her last statement, 'We can't put your brain back together!'

In the end I absolutely love this story you've told to us! I will be bothering my friends to read this.
view 15th Jul 2012, 5:59 PM edit delete reply
view
You've grasped the salient points!
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 6:03 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Except Mary was not always a robot. Marina was entirely human back in the day, for most of her life. I already tried to blaze that theorys trail and it ended with my wagon exploding.
WhiteAier 15th Jul 2012, 6:31 PM edit delete reply
I know, I said she likely died in the Melt. :)
WhiteAier 15th Jul 2012, 6:30 PM edit delete reply
Thank goodness. I wrote my little essay while rereading so I wouldn't miss points of interest. But again, I love this story. Even if it's sad, the concept of Jim's undying love is so touching. That he will always love Mary. Even the idea of Mary.
Glendale2x 15th Jul 2012, 6:20 PM edit delete reply
Marina was a flesh and blood human at least to the point where the doctor that treated her Vett's disease assaulted her (for the "embarrassment") and gave her a nosebleed.
Gigan 15th Jul 2012, 6:36 PM edit delete reply
One thing I do have to point out, is that on the second readthrough you're looking at everything through the glass of the ending. Seems like maybe that was the point of a lot of it, really, to make you wonder on the second lookthrough what the motivation was, or to flip what you thought was the reason for it being said. Because really, all the stuff that seems to imply "omg robot!" makes perfect sense if there is no robot, too, given the explanations of things that View gave along the way. It's an intentionally induced second guessing, and that was the real point of the ending.
Skeldonson 15th Jul 2012, 6:53 PM edit delete reply
Hey, I'm a big fan. I've been silently reading for a few months now.

Wow. Thank you for putting so much thought into a good story. I could say so much more that has been said by others, but know I think it too.
view 15th Jul 2012, 6:54 PM edit delete reply
view
Thanks!

EDIT: To everyone: there's a per-day comment limit, and I have exceeded it. So this is the last comment I can leave for a while.
pancake 16th Jul 2012, 12:10 AM edit delete reply
wait what? but.. but you're the author! why would there be a per-day comment limit for the author!?
view 16th Jul 2012, 12:13 AM edit delete reply
view
It was fixed two minutes ago.
Sevron 15th Jul 2012, 7:28 PM edit delete reply
It might be selfish of me, but I didn't want it to end. I wish I had found this while it was being written, instead of binging it all down over a weekend.
Guest 15th Jul 2012, 9:21 PM edit delete reply
Oh God, I get the comment when they're upgrading gretel.

My old girlfriend is in that picture. It'd be REAL easy to edit your face onto hers. Sad Jim is sad.
pancake 16th Jul 2012, 12:19 AM edit delete reply
bleh, you're right.. this leaves a bad taste in my mouth and i have no idea why..

View, you have a talent for doublespeak.
view 16th Jul 2012, 12:22 AM edit delete reply
view
I never said the cyborg girl was his girlfriend... I just implied it a little.
Faceh 3rd Aug 2012, 5:35 AM edit delete reply
Damn, should have followed my insticts on that one. My brain kept trying to fit her in as the girlfriend, but it didn't fit the rest of the information.
Godongith 16th Jul 2012, 12:51 AM edit delete reply
Godongith
"They don't do it for themselves.
They do it for everyone else." Is a pretty sad line in retrospect as well.
pancake 16th Jul 2012, 12:56 AM edit delete reply
in retrospect? that was a sad line the first read through as well
Godongith 16th Jul 2012, 1:46 AM edit delete reply
Godongith
But I mean it's moreso now, knowing that Mary refuses to be backed up even for Jim. So every time she takes a tumble, they have to start over.
JasperWB 16th Jul 2012, 3:01 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
I think both that she hasn't had to be reset before and she backs up. Or Jim compiles her memories somehow or something.
JasperWB 15th Jul 2012, 9:40 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
No I still think his old girlfriend was the awesome chick with the biotic leg.

But this ending is still too sad for me right now. I need time before I do a full reread and while I like the insight all these comments have, reading them is not helping the recovery. I...I think I have to backout. My last comment on this comic!...
Gigan 16th Jul 2012, 12:19 AM edit delete reply
While I'm still not quite sure of time lines and all, and what seems to be the slightly unprecedented bit wherein only Jim knows that Mary is a robot, and the question of what her body really is...

One thing that doesn't seem to be an issue is their relationship. Consider Esteban and his wife. Doing quite well, evidently a normal life, got a kid built. So the fact that Mary's actually got a quantum brain doesn't mean they can't be rather happy for real.

I guess it kind of comes back to the question of... just how much of Mary is biological? If she's all robot, it's far, far and away more advanced than any of the other robots we're seeing. And we don't see any maintenance or the like, when Jim is doing plenty of maintenance and testing on stuff, as if he didn't have it figured out.

I think it's just her brain that got replaced.
view 16th Jul 2012, 12:23 AM edit delete reply
view
The most advanced robot? More advanced than the girl with the color-change face that can leap thirty feet in the air?
pancake 17th Jul 2012, 3:31 PM edit delete reply
i'm not sure yet, but i think not everyone knows she's a robot (in page 52 someone puts his helmet on her head).

she doesn't bleed or breath, so it's probable she's a full on robot, but why wasn't Jim crushed when she jumped on him? and little Gretel from before the body transfer was able to lift her with ease.
view 18th Jul 2012, 3:18 AM edit delete reply
view
Robots are not heavy. Lightness is very important for battery life. Gretel only weighs about seventy pounds.
Reading In 2015 9th Nov 2015, 10:24 AM edit delete reply
I think he is actually thinking advanced because she looks totally Human (and maybe because we were fooled into assuming she is Human, too). I think that for Gigan (and many), in a robot, "looking Human" = "advanced".

But in this world, Gigan, that's just a skin -- surface stuff. Really, the mind is the complex bit. Quantum physics!
Who? What? 15th Jul 2012, 9:53 PM edit delete reply
Okay after thinking about it some, I think I've figured it out. The nanites were originally deployed to control people. I suspect the biobreaks in some of the cities were done on purpose to force people to be vaccinated with the nanites. Then they would leave the nanites in their bodies allowing them to control the entire populace. However when Jim and company gain control of the nanites in Marina (and probably everyone else and would also be the incident he refers to when he killed those 47 marines) the government freaks out and retaliates and melts Metropolis trying to eliminate the people who have the means of controlling the nanites. Jim is the only human survivor and uses the nanite data to rebuild Marina into Mary however it's not a perfect reconstruction since Mary shows greater immaturity and innocence than Marina did (which is why the flashbacks showed both Marina as a child and an adult to make the point). I suspect Metropolis was melted not long after Marina was rescued and why Jim feels guilty over it as well as Mary reacting negatively to any mention of XVT. I suspect that neither Piers or the other girl had nanites in their system since Jim didn't try to recreate them.

So how's that sound?
CyberSkull 16th Jul 2012, 3:11 AM edit delete reply
CyberSkull
I need to set aside a block of time and read this again.
HColumn 16th Jul 2012, 4:30 AM edit delete reply
After re-reading the comic, I have a few things to say.

First, I love you and your work. Your expression and emotion display is phenomenal. I will be following your work.

Second, your flow from page to page is good. In particular, it shows the characterization well. I noticed that you often worried about people misunderstanding because you would update 1-2 pages at a time. Since you work seems to be best read in a series, I wonder if you've ever considered doing 3-5 and only updating once a week. It might make it better to understand a scene, but, please, go with what works for you.

On the ending, you said to sleep on it, reread it, and so forth. I have, and I must say that I don't like how you handled the twist. At first, I loved the ending and it blew my mind. The next two days I spent most of my free time rereading the comic. There were parts in it that "may" have been alluding to her true nature and other foreshadowing pieces that I liked. But, having the entire story fresh in my mind, I feel that there were too many loose ends concerning Mary. I feel that some kind of exposition device right after the 'fort' collapse would have alieved so many of my pains at the ending.

And, as I'm going through the story, trying to figure out everything, I'm reading the comments. I admit, I'm mad. "The answers are in the flashback" was what set me off. After reading the flashback, I wanted to scream at you, "NO, THERE ARE SOME INSIGNIFICANT HINTS AND A BUNCH OF BACK STORY IN THE FLASHBACK, BUT NO ANSWERS!" Seriously, I'm mad because you're making feel dumb for not being able to figure it out and I'm mad because I can't figure it out. Since the story was really about Mary and the nature of her being, being so vague about it really annoys me.
In short, I'M DUMB, I'M MAD, GIVE ANSWERS PLEASE! (sorrysorrysorrysorry)

So, for all of it, I would have to say: Your foreshadowing is subtle, your people are very real, and your world-building is impressive even when you don't explain enough of it. But (judging by the reactions) your twist feels weak and unsupported, yet still emotional.
view 16th Jul 2012, 12:39 PM edit delete reply
view
Fine. I'm not a pro, so a weak execution can be expected.

Anyway, thanks for leaving your opinion, and for having a name.
Sheela 16th Jul 2012, 10:08 PM edit delete reply
Sheela
Wait, what ... names are important ?
view 16th Jul 2012, 10:13 PM edit delete reply
view
People who leave anonymous comments bother me. It's impossible to hold a conversation with them, and they tend to leave more aggressive, stupid comments than if they have a name.
Sheela 17th Jul 2012, 11:53 AM edit delete reply
Sheela
Ahh, ok, that makes a fair amounf of sense.

What's in a name anyways ?
klondike 17th Jul 2012, 6:05 PM edit delete reply
View, don't generalize please, some of us anonymous are just to lazy to register here.
view 18th Jul 2012, 3:18 AM edit delete reply
view
That's fine: you still have a name.
cattservant 16th Jul 2012, 6:25 AM edit delete reply
cattservant
Still boiling all right!
Guest 16th Jul 2012, 10:43 AM edit delete reply
I'm sorry, you may have to put a mark in the "boo" column, because while there is nothing wrong with your ending on paper (It is legitimately quite tragic) your execution and the way you handled it is so mired in pretension that it completely undermines the sorrow that I should be feeling for these characters.

As HColumn above pointed out, you are deliberately being vague and calling attention to underdeveloped plot points in the flashback. This comes off like you're trying and make your story seem a lot deeper than it actually is, and congratulating yourself as everyone trips over themselves to interpret it. The fact that you even included a message afterwards telling people to go back and read it again proves this point and shows that your writing clearly was not doing its job. People should feel the incentive to go back and read it again without your direct egging-on. The whole thing reeks of self-adulation. In fact, I think it actually shows real a disrespect for your readers.

While your story isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, it's just underdeveloped and the execution falls flat. Also, at points I felt like your art work was really bare bones. Characters often go off model, have severe noodle limbs and the backgrounds are non-existent to collections of scribbles.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude but the ending itself isn't irritating, the way you handled it is.
view 16th Jul 2012, 12:37 PM edit delete reply
view
I'm glad some people feel that way. However, to be clear, I wrote those details in on purpose. This isn't Lost or M. Night Shamalan where people throw in vague stuff and hope some of it sticks.

I put in the explain page because I figured I had a lot of twelve year olds reading it. And I figured a lot of kids would go "I HATE THIS ENDING".

Anyway, while I'm not insulted that you think I'm pretentious - because I am - I am insulted that you didn't bother to leave a name.
Guest 16th Jul 2012, 1:53 PM edit delete reply
This Guest's post is, in fact, exactly how I felt.

I don't mind TWEEST endings, but when the clues themselves are so deeply mired and vaguely implied that a second viewing is necessary for comprehension as opposed to appreciation, then the narrative is a failure no matter how much self-congratulatory preening you do afterwards. On the final pages with Mary's head, I have no idea what's going on because there isn't enough information or succinct visual clues to work with; you're like a child who draws a crayon scribble then asks someone to guess what it is. I feel as if I would need to have pored through the comments section of all 350 comics just to comprehend what I was looking at.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with presenting a summation afterwords page that explains the plot points and world details your readers might not have grasped -- consider Masamune Shirow or Tsutomu Nihei, who have similarly complicated world concepts but have no compunctions towards deconstructing their fictions at length in order to add color and ease understanding. You're just being obtuse on purpose, playing 20 Questions in the comments sections and refusing to provide any answers to a convoluted plotline you obviously know the details of but failed to convey and are now withholding on some pretense of compromising artistic integrity.

I resent the implication that your readers are dumb "twelve-year olds" if they don't follow your hazy signposts and laud your ending choice. And I didn't leave a name either, because maybe I want it to be a DEEP MYSTERY as to which long-time commenter I really am! The hints are there, just re-read the comment a few more times...
JasperWB 16th Jul 2012, 4:33 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
I'm pretty sure literal twelve year olds were what was implied here. I really don't think there are any but view covers bases. I don't think view hates us quite that much.
cattservant 16th Jul 2012, 7:00 PM edit delete reply
cattservant
Geez! I guess this is one those Things where you had to 'be there' to appreciate the nuances...

A few more days and it will be time to switch off the power and wipe down the fan blades!
view 16th Jul 2012, 9:07 PM edit delete reply
view
I am disappointed that this commenter thinks so poorly of me that he doesn't leave a name.

I don't really think there's a whole lot of difference between doing comics and doing crayon drawings and asking people what you drew. In fact, I think it's almost exactly the same.

As to going into detail: meh. I'm not really withholding it. I designed the comic so that you'd be able to infer the details without me just randomly chatting at length. Sorry it fell short.

Anyway, it's really disappointing that you feel you have to hide behind total anonymity to make your critique. Sure, your critique is aggressive and deeply unconstructive, but it's still yours.
JasperWB 16th Jul 2012, 9:13 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Anon here said he was a long time reader and so possibly a commenter. If being the author lets you see the IP of posters you can give yourself satisfaction at getting an idea of who it is. Just FYI kinda thing. If he was serious as well.

And you do have a couple of valid points maybe. Like info at times is revealed through comments rather than the actual story and some things can be hard to figure out at times without unique knowledge and insight. But nothing is perfect. View knows he can always improve. I don't know how this is causing all the anger. Just like...whoa man. We can talk this out without harshing all the mellow.
view 16th Jul 2012, 9:28 PM edit delete reply
view
Naw, it's really not that angry. I read it is a bitter tirade against someone he thinks is an overinflated windbag.
cattservant 16th Jul 2012, 10:32 PM edit delete reply
cattservant
All this excited energy sort of verges on 'any publicity is good publicity' territory.
Sheela 23rd Jul 2012, 4:18 PM edit delete reply
Sheela
Ah, but if only we could harvest all this excited energy, we'd have an endless source of free energy. :D

Heck, 4chan alone could power a decent sized country. XD
cattservant 23rd Jul 2012, 7:47 PM edit delete reply
cattservant
Needs a practical transformer of some kind.
AlfaFoxtail 16th Jul 2012, 12:44 PM edit delete reply
AlfaFoxtail
Most people already said what i wondered so i'm just gonna say i loved the comic, loved the ending and love your work as an artist, i hope to see more as time goes on and i will follow space pulp
Nericon 16th Jul 2012, 10:41 PM edit delete reply
I happened on this comic a little while back. While preforming a random word google search I found a page were a very excited young robot girl was waiting for some sort of gift. I was so confused that I looked over a few of the pages before it to try and get a context to the page. I have to say that was one of the better choices I've made.

I've followed the comic, not religiously (more I'd check it every week or so), since. I've been rewarded with three dimensional characters that I came to feel for (Hell I was admittedly sad when octopi died). I always felt like the story had forethought to it an full suspected it was completely planned out before "pen touched paper" so to speak. I would like to have a physical copy to read but one of the better parts of this series has been the comments, as I was usually several days behind them I didn't add but reading these and finding new insights had very fun conversation feel so I think NMTG would have suffered without it's audience (No offense to the artist, the comic stood out on it's own).

So thank you View, I'm glad I randomly stumbled into this. I would also like to end on a silver lining that no one else brought up. The ending was indeed sad and tragic but look at it like this, Mary isn't crippled by the sadness of having been present when the lake and all it's residents were destroyed.
view 16th Jul 2012, 10:45 PM edit delete reply
view
Thanks!
cattservant 16th Jul 2012, 10:51 PM edit delete reply
cattservant
That is a very good point!
duLapel 16th Jul 2012, 11:58 PM edit delete reply
duLapel
Okay... this will be the last time you will have to endure me on this forum...
(the comic is done, so it time to wrap it up!)
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Critique of view’s work in NMTG:

Art:____________________________________________________________
Pros:
-The anatomy and facial expressions are exceptional...

Cons:
-There were times thought that manga conventional visual code was used and it didn’t fit with the rest of the style. Personally I think view’s skill level is high enough not to lean on such crutches.

-Perspective was view’s constant bane. It is the top item of improvement that needs work. Other items include: a) use of light and dark to give depth; b) understanding of both natural and artificial objects (trees, flowers, railroad tracks, crane towers, and architecture in general); c) uses of shadow and light sources to illicit mood. This is not a exhaustive list and I did see continual improvement in view’s craft.

Sequential Art:____________________________________________________________
Pros:
-For the most part, the visual story telling was good and at time exceptional.
-Many of the cinematic inventions, e.g., Mary’s trademark ass jumping, were effective story telling links.

Cons:
-There should be no need for author’s notes! If a term or a nuance needs explaining then the narrative box in the comic is used... but only when you can’t explain things through action or character interaction. This is not to say I didn’t enjoy view’s comments... I did... but they were distracting and should have been part of the story.

-Failure to clearly delineate scene changes... In the flashback scenes I felt at times I was reading Chinese—all the characters running together! The jumping back and forth in time with young Mary with her crush on Jim and then old Mary with Jim’s crush on her was confusing at best. The change in Mary’s behavior between child and adult made it hard to think of her as the same person and supported alternate theories in the readers mind that this must be the child’s mother... Readers should NOT be misdirected in such a fashion unless the misdirection serves a purpose... a RED HERRING... but this was clearly not the case.

-Mixing kinds of links and insufficient balancing of links... I’ve already praised your cinematic inventions that linked robo-Mary to child-Mary of the past. This was quite innovative and very strong using several frames and clear intentional behavior in both Marys. Unfortunately there was only a look-a-like link between adult Mary and her robo-facsimile... no outstanding behavior.


The Story:____________________________________________________________
Pros:
-The world building was exceptional and frankly the strongest element of everything I’ve discussed. It is so compellingly detailed that makes you want to know more about NMTG world.

-The characters were also compelling and complex... It made you want to know them.

-The suspension of disbelief was maintained through out most of the story.

Cons:
-Characters at times had unexplainable inconsistencies, e.g., Jim’s glee over finding a “Spider Tank.” At first I chalked it up to “boyish” enthusiasm over a war toy, but then you find out about his history and it doesn’t make sense other than a plot device. In fact the entire village act oddly in this respect.

-Clear social issues brought up in the story are left flippantly explained or simply ignored, e.g., the “factory default” seed and Mary’s objections were inadequately serviced. It was as if the reader was expected to say to themselves, “Oh, they are all Atheistic Nihilist so the don’t even believe in a soul so what does it matter?” ...but then you would wonder why they don’t all off themselves because nothing matters anyway.

-The story was very simple, but its telling was overly convoluted. It reminded me of some of the worst of the Outer limits and Heavy Metal tales, except drawn out way two far for the weak punch line, “and then it turns out that the most desirable girl is a robot!”

My Comments:____________________________________________________________
Like a lot of movies I liked it all but the last 20 minutes. A lot of times a story takes on a live of its own and this is what happened with NMTG. The world that was built was so much bigger than the story itself that the “twist” soured an otherwise promising vintage of wine.

I should have expected it with the anti-humanist theme that was running through the writing. All relationships portrayed would not produce a single human... and humans were doomed to be emulation in quantum computing robo-brains. True, it would take a while because people no longer age... (Jim for instance is middle aged or older, but looks in his twenties). Normally I just ignore the author’s bias, but at times it gets... grating.

For a moment I thought Mary was a clone with a robo-brain (“... that’s my new philosophy,” says Mary on page 214, “Life is like a hotdog. It’s basically leftover gristle and cheap plastic.”) Then we see that Mary’s unrepaired arm is “Terminator-esque!” *sigh* Total robo...

So it’s Jim and Esteban are the only cell members of his ‘IndieVisble” group in the village, but don’t even mean the real Mary is dead or any other members. All we know is that there was a big melt in Metropolis that he survived. So we don’t really know how sick Jim really is... survivor’s guilt living in the past he built (Outer limits), or a mass murder rejected by the anarchist-Mary and hiding out from the authorities with a pedophilic and sexed-up version of an unfulfilled crush (Heavy Metal)!



JasperWB 17th Jul 2012, 1:08 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
This is to you and the anon above, unless you are one in the same.

Damn. Ok this is the sole reason I hate deeper meanings in stories. When people spend all their time trying to figure out what is being implied by the story, rather than reading the story itself, confusion and madness and wrong conclusions clog everything up. I know what its like to be the person who comes to the completely wrong ass conclusion and has everything ruined for them. Because honestly I feel like that's part of what happened here. Jumping to conclusions because everything is supposed to have a meaning. I feel like the problem is you came to get wrong ideas and now everything is...well different. Perhaps it could be view, but its also you. I mean I don't mind stories with subplots and twists and allegories and symbols here and there as long as its easy to read. And that there are signs that you should look for them.

But whatever happened to enjoying a story for the story? That's what I did. It was obvious when you had to look a little deeper to get more info, but otherwise I just read it and followed it as I came. That's why I had changing opinions and theories. And I enjoyed the story and am pretty sure I got all of the major points here. I'm just not sure how fair it is to blame view for yourself overanalyzing points. This twist was hardly that difficult to digest and to dismiss the characters and story like you did is again unfair.

Sometimes you don't learn everything in a story. Sometimes its not meant to be figured out. It's up to you to decide what things were like and not expect conclusions hidden so well only the hyperintelligent would ever find them. Multiple conclusions may not be a bad thing. And sometimes things seem too complex or incomplete because you are looking for too much out of them.
view 17th Jul 2012, 1:20 AM edit delete reply
view
You don't have to get upset on my part, Jasper. Honest commentary is valuable.
Sheela 17th Jul 2012, 8:36 PM edit delete reply
Sheela
I tend to agree that on the artsy fartsy front, View's toughest challenge seems to be perspective. But it's also not a storybreaker.

As for the deal on author's notes, I sorta agree *and* disagree. While it's good for a story to be able to stand on it's own, without any notes added to it, I don't mind some added comments from the author about how something works in his/her universe. For me the comments are "more", not "less" - ie. they don't take away from the story.

Certainly, at times the characters could be a bit difficult to delineate as you call it, partly because there was so many characters in the story, but also because it's set in a different time period so you cannot expect them to behave like ourselves. But at the same time the characters was also easily recognisable - They were not all young similarly looking males with spiky hair of slightly different color. It was easy enough for me to keep them apart. Maybe it's more a case of keeping characters seperated over a long period of time as the story unfolded, because during a re-read, they are all pretty easy to keep aoart, IMO.

I absolutely agree with you that the world, and the characters are wonderfully compelling and lifelike and you just want to know more about it/them. Such as little details like why they had tame/uplifted octopusses working for them. I found all of that very fascinating. :)

As for the lack of religious aspect, I am an agnostic myself and I am pretty pleased to read a story that *isn't* about religion for once. Frankly, I think religion just muddles the waters. I think the story is better off without trying to explore "souls" and "magic skydaddy's" or whatnot.
Meh.Aloe 17th Jul 2012, 8:39 PM edit delete reply
I get the sense that you didn't quite buy the story's premise that robots are real people... I'm not sure, of course, but that's kind of the sense I get from some of the points in your review. I think many of the ambiguities you criticise add to the story. We're *supposed* to wonder to what extent present-Mary and past-Mary are really the same person. But I think accepting that present-Mary the robot is still *a* person, just as much as any natural-born human is a person, is kind of a pre-requisite for the universe the story is set in... That is what I got from it, anyway...
view 18th Jul 2012, 3:20 AM edit delete reply
view
Thanks to both of you, it's gratifying to make people think about it.

I don't think any particular belief is a prerequisite for the story. Even readers who believe in souls and that, therefore, Mary doesn't have one, can still hopefully find some meat in the story.
Sheela 20th Jul 2012, 8:42 PM edit delete reply
Sheela
I found bacon in the story. :)
view 17th Jul 2012, 12:17 AM edit delete reply
view
@duLapel (the comment didn't do a proper respond indent...)

You're welcome to post whenever you like, but since the series is over, I guess your comment is less a "I've leaving!" and more of a "well, the party's wrapping up" sort of thing.

I never wrote the ending to be a weak twist, or any twist at all. It's not that it played that role badly, it's that it was never intended to play that role. It was intended to give the story a half-turn, so that if you reread it many of the scenes feel very different. But it looks like I dropped the ball.

As to author's bias, yeah. Not sure "humanist" means what you think, but your comment about atheists heavily implies that you are extremely religious. You may have a bitter diet if you try to eat what I serve. Few authors try to write against what they believe, and I don't intend to try. I'm not here to preach, but I'm not here to pander, either.

Anyway, I'm glad you read it, even if you came out palming your face and going "sigh..."
duLapel 17th Jul 2012, 1:48 AM edit delete reply
duLapel
When I said anti-humanist theme in the Martin Heidegger sense, but if you like Nietzsche better I can go with that too.

If you mean by "extremely religious," a bible thumping Christian you will be disappointed... I believe all faith's of Abraham are very likely wrong in their overall construct... as a Tendai Buddhist and Shintoist, I most certainly believe in souls (in Erwin Schrödinger's observer sense at least). So I'm not so easily classified as a "traditional religious nut!"

I wrote this critique to be helpful in your future endeavor's as a thank-you... so I took the hours to break it down for you... the good and the bad... then my opinion at the end.

Personally I think you should use the world you created to do another story... I would read it, what ever path it took... after-all still read C. J. Cherryh... and I find her grating at times. ^_^
view 17th Jul 2012, 1:51 AM edit delete reply
view
I appreciated it - I didn't take any of it as an insult. I just get itchy whenever someone walks the border of misrepresenting atheism and humanism.
Sheela 17th Jul 2012, 8:38 PM edit delete reply
Sheela
heh.. or thinking one have to be both in order to be either which one.

Kinda like how some people thinks that Atheism is a religion.
ravenor78 23rd Jul 2012, 11:31 AM edit delete reply
ravenor78
I seriously dislike it when someone thinks it is, though if they haven't looked up any definitions then their not really to blame... well partially at any rate.
Glendale2x 17th Jul 2012, 2:19 AM edit delete reply
I'd have to put the author commentary and participation in the "pro" side for me. I enjoyed it. It does two things for me: fleshes out the universe for my own imagination and moves the story along. Could all of the finer points of the universe be brought up in-story? Sure, but at the expense of slowing the story down and stalling plot development. Then you end up with "never ending comic" syndrome which would have been a huge "con" here. And I'm sure view would get tired of the project after a while.

The story here is more hard sci-fi to me, meant to evoke thinking than nonstop wham-bam action and hyping "the twist!" everyone knows is coming. Take, for example, "I, Robot." There's the short stories and the Will Smith movie. NMG has more in common with the short stories than the movie. Sci-fi angled more towards the "hard" end of the scale also ends up with people that either love it or hate it; rarely a middle ground.

Is view a pro? But what is a "pro" anyway? I loved the Mass Effect series. They did a lot of things absolutely brilliantly over the course of the three installments, and then when the penultimate ending came they dropped the ball, set the ball on fire, threw gasoline on the ball, stomped it into the ground, and then wondered what happened to the ball. (I haven't played for the "extended cut" yet.)

I'd love to see the NMG universe revisited in the future with a new story. Not necessarily featuring any of the characters in this story (such a revisit may ruin them) but perhaps with new characters and a new viewpoint.
view 17th Jul 2012, 2:26 AM edit delete reply
view
Hm. Not sure the universe can hold another story.
JasperWB 17th Jul 2012, 2:38 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Probably only a prequel from the other side of the indieVisible fight. Invention of XVT, someone part of "The Man" switching sides after he/she grows a conscious?
Sheela 17th Jul 2012, 8:41 PM edit delete reply
Sheela
I think the universe could easily hold several more stories. The problem would be if they start intersecting too heavily with the previous stories, then they'd become hard to maintain.

But the "universe" itself seems plenty expansive and flexible enough to have room for more.

Really, it's up to the story teller more than anything.
Meh.Aloe 18th Jul 2012, 1:07 AM edit delete reply
It feels like a big universe -- we've only seen one town in the middle of nowhere. There is a feeling that there are lots of other communities scattered through the scarred landscape, each presumably trying to rebuild in its own way...
Glendale2x 17th Jul 2012, 5:30 AM edit delete reply
Well, in any case, I did quite enjoy NMG and will be following Space Pulp.
view 18th Jul 2012, 3:22 AM edit delete reply
view
The universe was supposed to feel deep, but that's really smoke and mirrors. The universe was developed specifically to tell this story, so it's pretty sparse on the details everywhere else.
Sheela 20th Jul 2012, 8:44 PM edit delete reply
Sheela
Even with the smoke and mirrors deal going on, I still think you could make more stories in it, without having to work very hard .. like ...

"The little house on the highway"
"The tram line that could."
"Crying the blue tear."

etc. etc.


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Speeeeeellings ... They own me !

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For some weird reason the previous edit of this post completely mucked up the page layout for me so I'm splitting it up into two posts to see if it helps.

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Yay, it worked, this post is no longer 5 pages long!
Sheela 24th Jul 2012, 9:36 AM edit delete reply
Sheela
Rereading my previous post, the title for "The little house on the highway" ( originally a play on "The little house on the prairie") just took me in another direction, ie. an actual house that gains sentience and convinces it's owner (who's a total slob and lazy as hell) to add wheels to it and go driving about on the highways.

Government isn't too happy about that, because frankly, sentient houses scares them. I mean, imagine if that nuclear missile silo over there suddenly became sentient ?

.. yeeaahh, they are not happy campers.
The house on the other hand, is loving it!


As I said, plenty of room in your universe for more stories. :)
view 24th Jul 2012, 8:28 PM edit delete reply
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I suppose if I get the urge to tell those stories, I might use this universe.

Personally, I feel universes are like songs. Using the same universe in another story basically means putting out another song with the same samples. Like Ice Ice Baby, you know? I don't want to be the writer who put out Ice Ice Baby.
JasperWB 24th Jul 2012, 10:21 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
You ever compare your work to the rip off that was Ice Ice Baby again, and Imma have to smack you! I don't care if you were referring to nonexistent work, you are a much better person than that and I cannot stand for such comparisons. If anything you would simply be further collaborations between Queen and David Bowie that made more great hits that may remotely sound like previous works which /other people/ would then make into Ice Ice Baby.

Or at the very least you are MC Hammer "U Can't Touch This" and Superfreak. Both work and are awesome even though one resulted in a massive lawsuit lol
Reading In 2015 9th Nov 2015, 11:06 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB: "You ever compare your work to the rip off that was Ice Ice Baby again, ..."

He's not.

Nah, he was saying that he DOESN'T WANT to make work that can be compared to "Ice Ice Baby". You're just agreeing with his distaste, mistakenly thinking you need to tell him not to compare what he HAS done. He's not.
Sheela 24th Jul 2012, 11:51 PM edit delete reply
Sheela
I think it's more like a "sound" in music, rather than any specific samples.

Like, you can have chocolate flavored cakes, and chocolate flavored icecream, and .. and ... and both are really yummy, but don't make the other non-yummy ? :)

Yeah, good stories in the same universe is like that .. chocolate. :)
Glendale2x 30th Jul 2012, 2:15 AM edit delete reply
If there were more in this universe go for "concept album".
pancake 17th Jul 2012, 2:48 PM edit delete reply
if it's true that Mary was reset to default not long before the start of the comic, did she peruse Jim because she fancied him or because she was his girlfriend before the reset and she's doing it for his sake?
Glendale2x 17th Jul 2012, 5:37 PM edit delete reply
I don't link it's likely Mary was reset before. She had a long standing relationship with the octopi, a job, and a big fancy house. She now thinks her "house" (the fort) was destroyed after the reset, so she predates all of that.
Nightsky 18th Jul 2012, 3:00 AM edit delete reply
Nightsky
I just finished rereading the whole thing from the start (minus the sex scenes; I'm not into the comic for that). Looking back, I could see a few hints of Mary being a robot (the "I'm not the same person as 10 years ago" line, her discussion with Jim during Gretel's birthday party, and her blaming him for her body), but what really stood out was the development of the story.

You put a lot of effort and thought into not just the characters, but the world itself. This is one of the most well thought-out stories I've ever read. What I really want to know, above everything else, is how do you feel about it being over?
view 18th Jul 2012, 3:23 AM edit delete reply
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I feel really eager to do the next comic!
cattservant 18th Jul 2012, 12:43 PM edit delete reply
cattservant
Ah! The subtle deflector, deflecting subtly...
johndoe 29th Jul 2012, 2:51 AM edit delete reply
AFTER COMING BACK FROM MONTHS WITHOUT A COMPUTER I DISCOVER THIS? GOD DAMNIT VIEW GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!!
view 29th Jul 2012, 4:24 AM edit delete reply
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Welcome back.
B. Reaper 1st Aug 2012, 5:35 AM edit delete reply
This ultimately leaves me wishing that we could atleast have sort of summary for all the information the author intends for us to find.

I am not a clever person, I could hardly keep up with the history of events as they were being explained the first time.

I'm just really confused by the ending, not by what happened, but why View wanted the seen to imply. My first thought was literally " So... Mary's a robot, damn." And that was it. View, if someone in the comments does correctly guess all the details and wraps it up, please acknowledge it as the entire truth so I can have some closure ><.

Because, honestly, the reason I know I'm missing the big point is because the ending didn't depress me at all.
view 1st Aug 2012, 8:16 PM edit delete reply
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It's fine if you weren't depressed.

The main point was to increase rereadability. Knowing that she's a robot casts a lot of her earlier scenes in a new light.
Faceh 3rd Aug 2012, 7:02 AM edit delete reply
Sorry, making a note of particular things here before I finished reading the comments:

After the reread:
1) The twist really throws the action at the lake (w/the bioweapon and spider tank) into a new light. A) because Mary ran to save Jim knowing she was a robot and B)The Landwalker sort of died in vain since the XVT wouldn't have hurt Mary (Jim yeah, but I assume the Octupus was worried about Mom) anyway.
It also explains how Mary was able to take out Jake despite never having shown a lick of martial prowess prior to that point.

2) The whole thing with the nanobots took me the longest to connect, only because I didn't get 2 things: 1st that the nanobots were actively scanning her brain (the pieces were there, that's how the doctor got the structure of the prions) and so would have a record, and second that said record could possibly be stored on a thumb drive. Obviously you couldn't have made these more plain without being utterly obtuse in the narrative.
I followed that Mary got melted and the nanobots survived, but I didn't think that her consciousness would fit on a thumb drive. Of course, I forgot that in this future a thumb drive could hold terabytes or even petabytes of data. Oops.
Then Jim's comment about being a terrible musician, and trying to figure out the shape of the mind via the 'music' (that is, the nanobot copy of Marina's brain)signifying that he remade her mind but he wasn't completely happy with the result. At least this explains why he made this otherwise nonsensical statement in-story.
To add another layer there, Jim's 'only the mastermind can cry' statement obviously says a lot about him. It makes me wonder if he has made it his own duty to pursue Mary romantically so that he, the mastermind, is the only person that gets hurt when she gets reset. That is, he is taking responsibility for his creation (like Doc Frankenstein) even if it means bringing inevitable pain on himself. That is why he won't choose Miwa no matter how much he might want to (his words to her at the end, "we can't be together" rather than "I don't like you" leave his true feelings more ambiguous).
No idea if that last part holds much water.
Actually, hold the phone. We know Jim's a fan of the Shelley novel (he corrects Mary about the name... IN THE FIRST FUCKING CHAPTER). View you magnificent Bastard you gave us a direct and open hint about the true nature of Jim/Mary at the opening of the goddamn book. Demented, you are.

3) The Mary-Miwa dichotomy was nice. Both physically (the short, pudgy, pale one and the tall, lithe, dark one) and mentally (the genius that lost her touch and the moron that became a savant). They are connected by Jim both in that they fancy him and (as we find later) he has actually created them/resurrected them.
Interesting that Mary becomes dumber (losing the ability to visualize molecules [hold them in her head]) after this 'resurrection' while Miwa gains her abilities (the ability to visualize math equations). Assuming he rebuilt Mary first, maybe he's gotten a mite better at reconstructing people and brains.
Also interesting that Jim is the 'dad' to so many of the residents. Takeshi, Hans, Gretel, Miwa, Mary, and Kersie all felt his touch DURING the story, guessing most if not all of other robots in town have as well. Methinks Jim prefers and understands their company over that of the humans. After all, he doesn't get the "people" thing.

4)In light of everything I've thrown up above, Jim strikes me as the deepest character in the story, moreso because he doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeve like most of the characters. Not only that, but none of the characters really talk about him or his backstory in any way that gives a clue as to his personality. To that end everything we know about Jim was revealed through his actions as shown during the story.
We know he is a genius with a slight disdain for stupid people (or at least stupid people in position of power). Yet he is a really nice guy, willing to build robot bodies before he's even asked to build them. And although the economy of this town is not shown, I assume he does so for cheap or for free. He is fully willing to kill but is also able to comfort. Indeed, he comforts or confronts basically every character in the story as necessary. He is a male and subject to sexual desires but he is also a patient man(obscenely, obscenely patient)who is not prone to giving in to his carnal urges automatically. Also a bad musician, one of the few traits we are GIVEN in the narrative.
Its a real complexity that is only hinted at as necessary in the story, and gives the reader a bit of a challenge to unravel.
Ultimately I'm left unsure if his relationship with Mary is based on romantic(and sexual) interest or more of a dutiful devotion to his creation. Its quite possible that he is going through the motions dispassionately just for Mary's sake. With him, its hard to tell if there's actual feelings or just actions. He's a damn good man either way.

5) The twist was well handled, I thought, in that the twist wasn't relevant to the story until it was relevant to the story. That is, the twist doesn't affect the plot one iota but exists merely to give closure to certain characters and add some extra depth that the reader didn't expect.
In my mind the STORY proper ended when Jim laid down the law with Miwa. Roll Credits. The conflict between Miwa and Mary over Jim as well as the death of Hans and the Bioweapon's attack were the actual conflict. Had you revealed that Mary was a robot at the beginning this would still be a good story with fun characters and an interest plot. What follows felt like a nice after-credits scene that supplements the film.
Some might call this twist inelegant (like a scene at the end of "Blade Runner" revealing that Deckard WAS actually a replicant) and that it should be left ambiguous for the readers to decide. I have to disagree.
This story is meant to be read twice. Once with Mary as a human, once with Mary as a robot. The events of the story do not change, but the overall experience is changed with that extra tidbit of knowledge. The experience of reading it a second time is subjective to the person reading it and their feelings about the characters and their interactions. That, I thought, was the point.

All-in-all, of the near infinite reaches of the internet with its endless distractions I'm glad I stumbled upon this little corner of it and spent time following this story. Had I money or talent I'd buy the movie or tv show rights from you because I truly think this work deserves recognition. Sadly, I have neither of those things. Although printing it out, binding it, and putting it in libraries as one commenter said might be a start.
This was a great work of fiction from an obviously talented individual and I am proud to have been among those who have finished this journey.

I can definitely fire off a little more constructive commentary/critique, but I don't want to eat up TOO much space here.
view 3rd Aug 2012, 12:37 PM edit delete reply
view
Thanks for the many kind words. That's everything I was aiming to imply.

Well, some of the flavors are your own, but that's just fine.
JasperWB 3rd Aug 2012, 1:52 PM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Now that's a comment. Great insight there. Helps me out with the story quite a bit!
Faceh 3rd Aug 2012, 5:38 PM edit delete reply
The praise is well deserved. I can critique mostly from a literary point of view, since i don't have the background or training to examine the more technical aspects of the art and such. I'm here for the story. But I will say that the evolution of the artist was also evident and almost a story unto itself.

I admit that figuring out certain elements took some effort. The next readthrough will likely be with pad and pen so I can better connect the disparate dots that are scattered throughout. On occasion (more often than I'd like to admit) I had to check into the author commentary to pick up on the more subtle crumbs, and I was impressed with just how equivocable your early (and even later) comments were. Necessarily so, but it still necessitated reading some of the reader comments to lead me to some of my revelations. Jasper needs to give himself some credit.

But unraveling these threads is really just background flavor, to a point. My mind likes to fill in all these details so I sought out as much background information as possible just for my own satisfaction, but that wasn't what kept me reading.
I like sci-fi with a (lack of a better term) 'human' element. Your story struck me kinda like Haldeman's "The Forever War" in that it featured a cute little romance at its core amidst the larger themes and story elements. Maybe this says a lot about me but although I love sci-fi for its big ideas and visions of the future and explorations of the nature of life, reality, and everything, its nice to have an element of familiarity among the spaceship battles and robots and apocalypses.
I can't really empathize with what a robot feels or what it feels like to live with robots(yet) or what its like living a post-apocalyptic world because I don't live in that world. But I can certainly relate with the feelings evoked by an awkward courtship. And that was delivered. Haldeman decided to give a slightly more 'upbeat' ending to his romance, but I'm not going to complain about either this nor that.

I should also mention, if you DO bind this and put in libraries, be sure to keep it out of the kids' sections because there are some really complex issues in here that they are not prepared to process at that age. Also boning, so that too.
view 3rd Aug 2012, 8:24 PM edit delete reply
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Bah! When it comes to children being exposed to sex stuff, I say that we should make sure they think it exists and is really extremely boring and unappealing.

Anyway, the evolution of the art and storytelling is big because I didn't come in with all that much skill. Similarly, my Space Pulp comic is not about telling a polished story, it's about learning.

So that's definitely something I do.
Faceh 3rd Aug 2012, 9:20 PM edit delete reply
That's an interesting approach and one I can support. Fosters a very symbiotic relationship between artist and audience, for better or worse. I imagine that if you had access to a full studio with paid artists and colorists and such you could probably put out some seriously great works. But if its just something you do as a hobby, that is equally admirable.

And one skill you definitely came in with is the ability to write natural-sounding dialogue. Which is impressive in itself given the diverse characters that were interacting. And that ability was evident from the very beginning and even before (I think I may be the ONLY person here who read NMTG before reading "cheer."). I mean, you have geniuses interacting with children interacting with robots who are children interacting with the occasional octopus. Keeping these characters' personalities consistent and still writing dialogue that flows well and more importantly sounds 'right' to the reader is tricky, speaking from experience. ESPECIALLY since a few of these characters don't really fit existing archetypes (that I know of).

One last comment (for the time being): I really love the meta-fictional nature of the title and how it could be applied to various literal and metaphorical 'gaps' that featured in the story. Just really, really clever and shows just shows how well it was planned out.
Sheela 3rd Aug 2012, 10:04 PM edit delete reply
Sheela
Faceh ! Good comments. :)

I missed the Shelley Novel reference myself, I have to admit. Thank you.
Faceh 3rd Aug 2012, 10:23 PM edit delete reply
I didn't grasp the significance of the parallels until I actually typed out the comment.
In some ways I can see how "The Princess Bride" fits in as well, since Westley had a childhood lover whom he had to woo all over again after the finally meet again.
That one might be reaching, because you could also compare Westley being 'mostly dead' and brought back to certain other characters as well.
If you ask yourself 'why' View puts some things in there, you could chase pointless red herrings for days.
Sheela 3rd Aug 2012, 10:27 PM edit delete reply
Sheela
It still makes him a magnificent bastard though, right ?
Faceh 3rd Aug 2012, 10:34 PM edit delete reply
Yes. Yes it does. Its almost playful how casually he drops that reference in there and then never speaks of it again.
view 3rd Aug 2012, 10:37 PM edit delete reply
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Actually, the reason I put the Princess Bride in is because I needed a classic date movie and could really only think of one.
Faceh 3rd Aug 2012, 10:57 PM edit delete reply
See? Completely innocent.
And I'm sure the MST3K reference was utterly innocent as well.
Sheela 3rd Aug 2012, 11:01 PM edit delete reply
Sheela
Actually, I have to admit complete ignorance on the subject of "MST3K" ... what is that ?
Faceh 3rd Aug 2012, 11:10 PM edit delete reply
Old early '90's/early 2000's tv show called "Mystery Science Theater 3000" (abbreviated MST3K) that was on Comedy Central and Later Sci-Fi (before it became SyFy).
Basic premise is they play horrible old movies (usually old sci-fi films) and make fun of them as they're playing. Basically its a fun way to watch bad movies.

The joke is one http://nmg.thecomicseries.com/comics/68 , when Esteban and Jim are feeling "super heteronormative."
Referencing this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iqLhdInGrk

An old running gag from the show.

Youtube also has full episodes available, if it happens to pique your interest:
http://youtu.be/sa42pxJyq64
Sheela 3rd Aug 2012, 11:55 PM edit delete reply
Sheela
Oooh, I seeee ....

Never heard of it before though, I thought they were refering to some american football team or something that I'd never heard of. I didn't expect a sci-fi show.



Oh, I guess I should explain, I'm from Denmark, so a lot of references that are from the states tends to go over my head. Just like I would never expect anyone to know of something like, oh I dunno, something like an old danish melody from 1962 ... that would be perfectly obscure for anyone except *some* Danes. Cute song though, if you understand danish. :D
view 4th Aug 2012, 12:25 AM edit delete reply
view
MST3K is great. I'm sure Danish music is great, too, but the EMI is a piece of shit that has blocked pretty much all music from crossing the ocean.

(That episode is also the one where they invent Wikipedia in the first five minutes.)
Sheela 4th Aug 2012, 12:39 AM edit delete reply
Sheela
The melody I linked was blocked over there ? Damn, how sad is that ?
I mean, it's not like they're gonna loose money from it being played somwehere else in the world.

Those music company people are so mired in old fashions, they have to come to grips with the fact that the internet is global.
JasperWB 4th Aug 2012, 12:55 AM edit delete reply
JasperWB
Never did get around to watching MST3K. I was told I would love it. I guess since I'll check out these clips its about time I figured out what the cults all about.
cattservant 6th Aug 2012, 10:12 PM edit delete reply
cattservant
Ah! The fruit is fermenting very nicely under The Tree!
ranger_brianna_new 11th Sep 2012, 2:55 AM edit delete reply
ranger_brianna_new
I must say, I kinda had a feeling somewhere that this could be what happened.

I mean, obviously, when you say at the start, "This comic is meant to be read more than once"...the comic is meant to be read more than once, and therefore, you can expect SOME sort of twist. :P

And at some point, the thought was in the back of my head. I'm not sure for how long, but for quite some significant amount of time, the thought was there, even if I rejected it and didn't think it'd actually happen.


But it does seem...somehow...fitting.

It does still make me smile, though. The ending as I see it looks like it's bittersweet, but despite how much bitterness may be contained...there's definitely a level of sweetness.

I'll admit, there are a ton of things which I'd like there to be answers to which the comic and author's notes don't provide--not things which I am stumped on, mind you, because I have a good imagination and therefore CAN fill in the gaps: it's a matter of me being sad, that while I can fill in the gaps, I'm never entirely sure I've done so correctly. (As with my comment about following the flashback--I obviously THINK I did so correctly, but there's never an assurance that I have.)

And because of that, I can understand why many people are disappointed with the ending. It doesn't provide nearly as much closure as people want, and it doesn't provide nearly as many answers as people would like.

Yet...despite that, things still feel like this is how it should be. For instance, how readers can get an idea of the story and the setting, and get it almost to what you wanted, yet each throwing in their own flavor, as Faceh did. That's the kind of thing I think you wanted: for it to be clear enough that people could construct a picture, yet ambiguous enough that everyone's own construction would be slightly different from each other's.

It's not exactly my style, and I understand why you mighta received the hate you have, but I can also see why you chose it, and the praise you've been given is well-deserved.

The end result may not be perfect, but it's still...well, so...so...good.

Again...it's bitter...yet at the same time, you still have made an incredibly heartwarming piece, and I think you accomplished what you set out to do in an absolutely brilliant way.

I wish I had more to say, but this is about all the words I have.
view 11th Sep 2012, 4:04 AM edit delete reply
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I didn't get much hate, just one guy who thought I was arrogant and a few people who were disappointed.

It seems like you found it as I tried to present it, which is always great to hear.
Kain Yusanagi 11th Feb 2013, 1:54 PM edit delete reply
...I just now remembered your speach about quantum bits and how observing them changed them, meaning that they are forever changed from any other occasion, and thus even though the same groundwork is there, the same core personality, the remainder is still going to vary just slightly every time the transfer occurs... Just like how you want each individual reader's experience to vary just slightly, no two the same, never being able to return to what it was before and follow the same exact path of thought because our perception is forever altered, changing how we percieve the information- thus emulating that same quantum state flux.

You magnificent bastard.
NOT Reading In 2015, nope 9th Nov 2015, 11:33 AM edit delete reply
... No, nuh-uh, defintely NOT me ...

irreverent thought, related to the quantum variances induced in making backup copies and resetting minds:
~ ~ ~ ~
"Huh, *that* didn't go right."
>BLAM!<
"Okayyy, attempt number 46."
[...]
"Hmmm, I didn't expect to get smacked! It was all so right up to that point. Well, back to the --"
>BLAM!<
[...]
"Two months longer that time, but what happened? This time for sure!"
>BLAM!<
[...]
[...]
"Well, twins sure wasn't the way to go."
>BLAM!BLAM!<
[...]
"Dear Diary, 87 years old, attempt 153. If things don't go right this time..."
~ ~ ~ ~

Signed,
NOT Reading In 2015, nosir.
;>
DeathOfScythes 20th Oct 2012, 11:34 PM edit delete reply
DeathOfScythes
everyone else covered everything else I wanted to say, and likely in a more eloquent way then I could, so I'll keep my praise brief: I loved Gretel, the way she looked, the way she moved, the way she acted, she was my favorate character. I'm probably not alone in this, but what makes me feel compelled to mention it is that I am a card carrying hater of "cute robots". Wall-e made me want to kick babies, the metal gear MK II was my favorate target in game, "my life as a teenage robot" should be burned, and I laughed every time a DRD was blown up in farscape. I must say, your ability to create a character that broke into the heart of this bitter, crusty young fogey is downright impressive.

Definitely going to watch your work.
view 21st Oct 2012, 2:55 PM edit delete reply
view
One of the things I wanted to avoid was "cute robots that look like cute robots", so I tried to make all my cute robots weird and creepy while still being cute.
WanderingMan 21st Oct 2012, 2:42 AM edit delete reply
I've been reading this over the past few weeks and I'm not going to lie, the ending made me cry a little. This is quite unexpectedly became my second favorite webcomic ever. It features some of the best world building I have ever seen in a webcomic and it's scientific concepts and themes are the of the quality I basically only find in hard science fiction novels. Now I seriously torn about wether it's too porny to recommend to some of my friends. In any case I think I'll do a reread before descusing any further thoughts. All in all, masterfully done view, you magnificent heartbreaking bastard.
view 21st Oct 2012, 2:56 PM edit delete reply
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Thanks! You could recommend it by saying "I like it, and it's full of porn, too!"
Sean 23rd Oct 2012, 7:05 AM edit delete reply
So Hanzel was previously reset in the story but had some knowledge of past events though from a third person perspective. One theory originally was people told him about what happened after the fact. However I doubt people would have included telling him he honked Miwa's boob. So I was wondering if the way backups worked is they give you a third person perspective of events. From the ending I believe Mary does know that she has missing memory. I was wondering if she has any knowledge of the prior events or just is capable of making some inferences. I am leaning towards more of capable of making inferences rather than anything else based on her previously stated dislike of backups. Either way is fine and I really enjoyed the story. Being a hopeless romantic I'm also believing that they get together again after this and hopefully Mary avoids alcohol knowing drunken stupidity caused her to undergo a reset.
view 23rd Oct 2012, 12:33 PM edit delete reply
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AI brains create "third person" backups of "important" events, sort of like if your cell phone was strapped to your forehead taking photos all the time.

Some AI choose, for personal or moral reasons, to disable this functionality.
Tinwood 2nd Nov 2012, 1:21 AM edit delete reply
Well I loved the story, a lot. The ending really upset me because I had connected with Mary and Jim and dammit it just sucks that it has to end with heartache.

Id like to point out, because I feel strongly about it, there was a lot of story not in the story but in the comments that I think would vastly improve readers understanding of it if included. I know you don't like walls o text but sometimes its OK, as someone else pointed out all the little extras you included in the comments could be written in the margins the way Shirow Masamune does it.

I loved it. Cant say it enough. I think your way too hard on yourself about your art, its better than a lot of others and gets the point across. Also fuck backgrounds, readers only look at the panels for a second anyway unless they're fapping, and they aint looking at the backgrounds if they are. So just draw what feels right and gets the point across, dont be afraid to trace if you have to for backgrounds.

Last passing comment, Your responses to most comments are infuriatingly vague, Id rather see no response at all than "your on the right track" or "could be, keep trying"

P.S. Luuuuuuved it!
view 2nd Nov 2012, 2:17 AM edit delete reply
view
Ah, I tried to only leave vague comments in the first few hours after it was completed.
Tinwood 2nd Nov 2012, 7:29 AM edit delete reply
Sorry guess that came off as a bit too broad. I didn't mean to say all your answers are vague, i was mainly referring to this page, as sometimes you are quite detailed.
Kain Yusanagi 11th Feb 2013, 1:57 PM edit delete reply
There were some bits of information that should have been written into the comic from the comments, I'd say, but the overall feeling of the comic is preserved nonetheless without the commentary knowledge as well. Just opens a few more eyes, gives additional nuance to certain things, that's how I feel on that.
Yhamm 4th Nov 2012, 3:54 AM edit delete reply
Well, just read it all and I have mixed feelings

I think it's was really hard to understand, even before the final twist. It's a webcomics, so I'm ok with the notes, but I always had the feeling that I also had to read the comments to get what happened. And I didn't read the comments, so it was really difficult. Actually, even after reading everything on this page, I still don't get it... or not quite sure... and I really don't like this feeling.

The flashback (Mary) wasn't really well done. Too many jumps in time, no name at all. I keep seeing people talking about Piers, but I'm not even sure I saw this name once in the comics.

Talking about names, I felt that few people were missing one (like the girl with the "afro" or the blond guy), bit disturbing cause we see them quite often. It's even worse in Mary's flashback :/

It's fine to make things difficult to understand, but it's also nice to explain things clearly for other readers too dumb like me. I hate when I read something too obvious that is explained just after. But here, nothing is obvious and there is no explanation at all.

Anyway, the world is really well done (even tho we don't know much about it), there are some really innovative stuff, some arts need more work but some other are really great and you are sometimes too hard on yourself (especially in the starting strips). I mike how you put some sex in it cause it never felt "for fanservice" but more for the story, so it was well done. I think.

tl;dr : I like it and I didn't like it. I would like it more if you explained clearly how and why Mary became a robot, cause I think the twist was really good

Yhamm 4th Nov 2012, 3:55 AM edit delete reply
and sorry for the poor English :/
Tacroy 4th Nov 2012, 5:45 AM edit delete reply
One thing I noticed is that pretty much everyone over the course of the comic is concerned with making sure Jim has something to eat all the time. Mary hands him an apple in their first comic interaction, bar-bot gives him lunch, Miwa gives him a bagelthing... maybe he's the sort of mad genius who forgets to eat.

Oh also, comic 73 might give a timeframe for when Mary was activated; ten years ago (more or less) Marina died per comic 23, but reset Mary remembers living in the fort; in comic 73, Mary says it's been about six years since they lived there. Thus, Mary's probably around six years old.

That was bothering me because her body is clearly more advanced than any of the robot children, but you can see a clear progression from their parents to them; in fact, Giselle's new body is significantly more humanoid than her old one (just compare the hips in comic 219 to her old ones in comic 30 or 120, and her joy at having full mobility in 136).

This would explain the difference in tech levels; after whatever-it-was settled down, I'm sure there were significant technological advances in robot bodies. Given their ages, the kids were born a bit before the end of the war and I bet their bodies are purposefully a couple of steps back from cutting edge tech, simply because it would be important to maintain continuity of body image (and also you don't want kids testing out new bodies - for instance Giselle's comment in 137 about how carbon jelly breasts would feel the same; that's probably some new tech in Mary that isn't quite mainstream yet.)
view 4th Nov 2012, 1:57 PM edit delete reply
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You caught some of the world design that I never bothered to discuss!
Kuratenshi 8th Nov 2012, 9:29 PM edit delete reply
Read through the entire comic in the past few days, so the ending just kinda went "WAM" to me. Think I'm actually crying a bit.
There is a particular conversation that occurs after Hans gets hurt that I recall, and all I can think of is 'How the FUCK is Jim actually LAUGHING?!"

I can't find the actuall comic, but it's when Mr. "I'm a HORRIBLE musician" Jim is cheering up a kid at the accident site.

You do awesome work View, and I'll be following the rest of your stuff.
view 9th Nov 2012, 12:33 AM edit delete reply
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Gotta laugh, or you'll spend all your time crying!
Necromanticer 26th Nov 2012, 11:41 AM edit delete reply
Good lord man, Amazing story (comic feels belittling at this point)
I just read through this all in one go, and may I just say that this is one of the most profound, enjoyable, and all round stimulating stories that I have had the pleasure of reading. Especially given that the whole thing can be finished in a short amount of time, I must commend you on your amazing work.
I'm gushing a bit, but I honestly feel that you are deserving of the praise. Soon, I shall take up your suggestion and re-read it with a bit more context this time. I look forward to exploring you universe further, and hopefully some of your other works as well.
view 26th Nov 2012, 1:34 PM edit delete reply
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Thanks!
Havok 11th Dec 2012, 9:36 AM edit delete reply
I just found this amazing comic and read all of it in over an hour, and i can't contain myself! It was amazing from start to end and even though the ending stabbed me through the chest with deep pain it was really well done. I will definitely be re-reading this many times. Thank you for creating this!
view 11th Dec 2012, 9:16 PM edit delete reply
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Thanks!
Lysander 31st Dec 2012, 1:48 AM edit delete reply
(copied from an earlier page) I love this story. I started reading it today and couldn't stop until I finished.

I saw hints of something not quite right throughout the story, but came to the wrong conclusions. The robot reveal makes sense, like puzzle pieces suddenly lining up all at once. Especially in view of some of the comment-replies you made. That bit with the "photo of the ex-girlfriend" was rather inspired.
J.R. 3rd Mar 2013, 3:16 PM edit delete reply
I just read the whole webcomic. I don't know if you will read this post, but, anyways, your work is amazing.

About the Final Surprise, I realized on my own that they must have used the scanning nanobot in her brain to copy its contents into a quantum artificial brain. As a matter of fact I found very weird how that tough-looking mature, jaded genius Marina, who looked older than her brother Pier, ended becoming the naive, childish, quite less smart Mary, who looked young enough to be Pier's daughter.

It seems that some group tried a coup controlling all robots, and that they tried to use the nanites to directly control people, but that last plot failed due to the anarchist group's interference, and a full fledged civil war started.

What remains unclear unless you read the forum comments is how Marina died and Mary got created. We last see Marina cured of her degenerative disease, free from the evil doctor's control and escaping with the rest of the group, and it seems she was the only one who died...how did that happen? You have but confirmed that she died when Metropolis melted and that Jin killed 47 marines recovering the thumb-drive containing her personality (and her memories? does she have Marina's memories?), but another flashback page before the end, showing the precise circunstances of her death would be nice.

By the way, I have noticed that you avoid telling us if Miwa is still human, was turned into a robot or was never human to star with.

Also, Jim's gilfriend in that old photo he took away...was Marina, or another girl? I find it weird how flippantly Mary refers to her as "your old girlfriend".
J.R. 3rd Mar 2013, 3:30 PM edit delete reply
Also, why was Miwa being nice to Mary in her first appearance? (nmg.thecomicseries.com/comics/41). I can't see no reason, since it seems to me that Mary hadn't been recently resetted at that point, and nothing special was going on.
view 3rd Mar 2013, 4:52 PM edit delete reply
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There are a lot of flaws in this comic, I don't really have any particular excuses for them.

One of those is the backstory. The Metropolis Melt killed literally everyone in Metropolis. Jim was in a military stockade at that point, so he survived. Of course, it wasn't put in the comic, so you wouldn't know that.

Miwa's scared of storms. So she was telling Mary to be careful and stay at home. It wasn't made very clear.

One of the small twists is that Marina was Jim's girlfriend. The sexy cyborg lady was a red herring.

The comic does hide a few secrets that are touched obliquely. One of them is the nature of Miwa.
J.C. 3rd Mar 2013, 5:59 PM edit delete reply
Thank you very much for your answers!

"The Netropolis Melt killed literally everybody in Metropolis"...so what about Pier? He didn't have nanites in his brain, so he couldn't be rebuild as a robot...was he somewhere else?

"Marina was Jim`s girlfriend...". Poor Mary had to be a true emotional mess...she has the personality and memories of that girl that looked exactly like her, only she was different in many aspects, and her memory may not be perfect, but Pier and Jim treat as their sister and love interest, and she doesn't know how to react...
J.R. 3rd Mar 2013, 6:15 PM edit delete reply
The previous comment was mine too. I slipped while writing (pressing "C" instead of "R").
view 3rd Mar 2013, 8:51 PM edit delete reply
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Piers is dead for good.
J.R. 4th Mar 2013, 10:10 PM edit delete reply
Oh. For some reason I thought I had seen Piers post-Melt...I guess I have gotten something mixed, probably because of the time jumps in the flashback.

view 5th Mar 2013, 12:23 AM edit delete reply
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I'm shocked, just shocked that you lost track of time in the crazy acid-trip flashback.
David S 24th Mar 2013, 6:42 AM edit delete reply
Followed you from a post on Reddit to 4 chan, where I found the link to this site and now I'm going to follow you elsewhere! Consider me a huge fan View. Absolutely a pleasure to ride your coattails to greatness. Also if you're down I would like to bounce story ideas off of you. =)
view 24th Mar 2013, 3:39 PM edit delete reply
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Glad you like my stuff!

I have a huge backlog myself, so I generally don't think I can help people on their own projects.
EntropyBot 26th Aug 2013, 5:07 AM edit delete reply
Well... Bumped into this today, burned through it in a few hours, then went over it again.
Going to attempt to keep it simple so's I don't ramble like a madman.
One: excellent work that improves through the whole deal.
Two: you've severely wounded the feely bits of my brain,(in a good way ?).
Thanks, I guess.
Also, after the second read-through: "It'll be really easy to edit you over the picture of my ex"
Because of this, at some point in the day, there was a six foot plus, somewhat grown-ass man, thrashing about at his desk in frustration.
Take it as you will.
Cheers, and good luck. Hopefully the other bits of life get in the way less so you can do more of this type of thing.
justkuz 27th Aug 2013, 4:54 AM edit delete reply
This made me cry :'(. I look forward to reading your next project. Where can i find it anyway?
wr4ith0 8th Dec 2013, 5:13 AM edit delete reply
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came back around only to find out you'd ended the thing... must have been longer than I thought. I really like the ending (at least as I'm reading it, where "mary" has lost her memory twice, and each time she and jim are forced to restart their relationship).

There are shades of the doctor/patient relationship taboo, but if Jim had a mental snapshot from the nanobots, I think it skirts it. It's one thing to make a doll, fill it with percieved emotion, and facts, another to rebuild from a complete database. Plus Jim seems to be such a sweetheart...
klondike 10th Feb 2014, 6:35 PM edit delete reply
So, I have reread the history and all I can say is wow! Now things like Jacks comment on he seeing this 36 times make much more sense.
view 10th Feb 2014, 9:02 PM edit delete reply
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I think you're the first to notice!
JC117 13th Feb 2014, 2:31 AM edit delete reply
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So, has anyone else noticed just how bloody clever the title of this entire webcomic is? For new readers, they figure it's a play on the phrase 'don't mind the gap' but after reading the story through and seeing the spoiler (mind fuck!) you realize that it's a part of Jim's life and Mary's entire existence: never mind the gap that is created whenever she is reset, instead focus on the positives of life.
And there's so many other things that are going to make more sense on the second read through. All I can say is that it is going to be a much more touching story the second time through. Excellent work!
view 13th Feb 2014, 2:35 AM edit delete reply
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Thanks!
Noxes 12th Mar 2014, 7:59 AM edit delete reply
Dang. This comic. It's good. I hope I find Space Pulp as captivating.

Like a few prior commentators I'm not particularly well equipped to critique the art... so I won't. I enjoyed it, particularly the design of the adorable Gretel and her mother.

I'm better educated on the writing side of things. I found the characters very compelling. The way they interact and relate to one another is very enjoyable and "real" feeling. I have found this to be the case with other bits of View's work as well, it's a consistent strength.

On the other hand, the expository dialogue of this piece shows definite opportunity for improvement. I am left with the feeling that I would have missed out on a lot and not enjoyed it so well had I ignored the comments section as I read the comic. Most importantly, I feel, the best pieces of art leave room for multiple interpretations, rather than being so inscrutable as to defy attempts at interpretation. In other words, please dumb it down next time for us plebs.

I anticipate that this attempt at constructive criticism is likely pointless since this piece of fiction was produced, what, two years ago? Oh well.

Noxes 12th Mar 2014, 8:35 AM edit delete reply
Fuck my fucking browser right in the face. *Ahem* Now as I was saying...

I wonder what will new-Mary be like, if she will develop differently than before, become a different person. I wonder what will become of Jim and how Miwa will change and develop as well. The ending is tragic to be sure, but I am left more curious about the future than the past.

Still, Miwa is fascinating. Her nature seems to elude even the comments section! How terribly mysterious! I suspect that her missing parental figures are something of a clue, as well as the fact that "it's always been Jim" to protect her from lightning, that he is a paternal figure as well as a romantic one to her. I wonder if Miwa's parents simply couldn't bring themselves to face a daughter so changed by the lightning incident. I also wonder if Jim ever works on anyone else's prosthetics, it seems he's primarily a robot guy.

I hope that Jim will move on. I think he knows how unhealthy his fixation on Mary is, deep down. He warns that kid on pages 241-242 against exactly the type of actions he himself took after Marina's death. I suspect that this relationship with Mary is bittersweet at best, and more often than not it is his own form of the suffering mastermind. The sun may rise eventually.

TL;DR: I ship Jim and Miwa (Or Jim-Miwa-Mary? Omai)

Also, View, if you see this at all and read any of my drivel at all, please read this: thank you for making Cheer. I appreciated reading your fun, cute and most importantly positive portrayal of a poly relationship.
view 12th Mar 2014, 1:12 PM edit delete reply
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Well, you thought about it a lot.
ishvara 9th Apr 2014, 3:57 AM edit delete reply
I don't remember how I found this web comic, but I just finished reading it through twice. I know you did this a while ago, and have since moved on to other things, but I want to thank you for such an interesting story. My first time through the comic left me quite sad for Jim, that he felt compelled to put Marina into a robot as Mary. This second time, realizing the story was told from the perspective of a robot, made the entire story seem to have a more positive take.

Anyway, I really enjoyed it and will check out Space Pulp now. I do regret that I didn't find your story earlier so I could participate in the ongoing commentary. Thanks again.
view 9th Apr 2014, 4:22 AM edit delete reply
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Thanks! Spacepulp is also complete.
ishvara 9th Apr 2014, 4:36 AM edit delete reply
I'll still read it. Are you working on anything currently?
view 9th Apr 2014, 10:46 AM edit delete reply
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Yup, just go to my portfolio, I'm working through a glacially slow comic called Scrub Diving.
Reading In 2015 9th Nov 2015, 12:18 PM edit delete reply
@Ishvara 9th Apr 2014, 3:57am

"quite sad for Jim, that he felt compelled to put Marina into a robot as Mary."

On the contrary, thinking about that aspect, *I* feel quite happy for Jim, that he CAN put Marina into a robot as Mary! (Giving her a body again, life again, as opposed to losing her altogether!) Given that it's an option, and not a piss-poor one with their tech, (sure I'm sad that Mary died and that he lost her in the first place, but) that he had a way to really restore her is just *good*. "Felt compelled to"? I suppose so, but it should be as accurate to say, "Could". Because why WOULDN'T you? (Right, Mary's own objections. I simply don't agree with her :) .)

Sad for the necessity, not for the desire or ability, to bring her back. Even "replace" her, if you prefer.
MDude 31st May 2014, 7:03 AM edit delete reply
Wait, Jim and Mary were the main characters this whole time?
Guest 25th Jun 2014, 7:48 AM edit delete reply
I was seriously worried that I'd go through the whole comic without running into any humaniform robots.
Turns out I was in for a surprise.

Speaking of, why didn't anyone adopt the classic R. prefix in their name?
S,D, Saint 21st Jul 2014, 10:19 AM edit delete reply
I am a huge fan of happy endings, so I must say that I am quite disappointed by the ending.

However, I feel that the ending is only bittersweet because even though it will take time, I feel like Jim and Mary will regain what they lost. I choose to dwell on her eventuallly recovery and that makes it okay for me :)

And now for a shameless plug for my own Sci-fi short story :D. [url]http://www.sdsaint.com/sentience.html[url] (I hope this isn't too much in poor taste)
VC 31st Jul 2014, 9:09 AM edit delete reply
Damn, man. I blew through this whole thing in an afternoon/evening, and then that ending comes along to royally screw my day.

Great story, startling depth and intricacy, and your art probably my fav of any comic artist. The ending is a mixed bag for me. Conceptually, I like it, but I have to echo a few others in that it might have been executed a bit differently.

In any event, it's not my story. You did what was true to you, and that's commendable. I'm sad to have been so late to the party, and I hope your adventures since have gone well.

VC
Guest 31st Dec 2014, 5:10 AM edit delete reply
Jim killed 47 marines for a flash drive. I think the flash drive was Mary.
Q 3rd Jan 2015, 6:54 AM edit delete reply
Third time through after a couple years and I still love it to death. You do good work, View.
Not THAT Troll 21st Jan 2015, 8:11 AM edit delete reply
Dammit, view. Now I have to read it again! Once again, great work. And if any of the old commenters happen back here some day, great work to you too!
Rossicle 4th Feb 2015, 10:32 AM edit delete reply
Just read through everything during the last few days. It's the first web comic I've got hooked on! You're a good story teller and I really enjoy the universe you created. Thank you, view.
Satisfied Reader 1st Mar 2015, 5:54 PM edit delete reply
I absolutely love your work! Once I started reading it, I just couldn't put it down (even though I had a lot to do today). I really loved the character progression, and the plot was superb. I just have a couple questions;
1. What ended up happening with Miwa? Did she find someone in Rufus, or is it up to us (the readers) to decide?
2. What's the next step for Mary and Jim? Do they really have to completely start over?

Very bittersweet ending. At least they're still in it together.
view 1st Mar 2015, 5:57 PM edit delete reply
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Not every story has a closed ending.
notStanley 28th Jun 2015, 6:12 PM edit delete reply
While I am late to this story, want to say I have enjoyed it. Even though the ending will be quite a blow each time I read it again.
Susu 22nd Feb 2016, 3:38 AM edit delete reply
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"Never Mind The Gap" The gap being a ten year gap in memory due to having to reset with a backup?
Dustygrrl 1st Apr 2016, 6:32 PM edit delete reply
Well, over the past week I've read this twice, and re-read certain bits a whole lot of times, also went through every comment section, and it was worth it.

View I don't know if you'll read this comment but I wanted to say a couple things.

Firstly, good job, seriously this is a work of art and the fact that you can keep a daily upload schedule and still put out content of this quality baffles me.

Secondly, I can't figure you out very well, you seem a really interesting person, I'd really like to meet you in person and 'pick your brain'... but one thing that I noticed is that despite having a very admirable position regarding exposition and the like (i.e. you aren't spoonfeeding your audience every little detail they might want), you always seemed pretty unhappy in your comments if something you wanted to be apparent was misinterpreted by anyone...

Anyway I'm rambling now, sorry... er.... I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that I LOVED this comic, and if you ever publish it as a comic book I'll be sure to buy it.
view 1st Apr 2016, 7:50 PM edit delete reply
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I have several other comics you can read, just click on my name!

I'm not very good at comics, so I think what you think of as being "upset" is more being annoyed at my own misjudgement.
GentPerv 13th May 2016, 4:42 AM edit delete reply
Wow! I saw a recommendation to read this web comic today, in a post for another comic I read. I am completely blown away. Thank you for such a great and tragic story.
ColdFusion 28th Sep 2016, 8:31 AM edit delete reply
My fuckin' god.. I did not expect this ending. This thing blew me the fuck away. Staying up to 3 AM to read it didn't hurt either. How do you even? And to think, I glimpsed at this comic some years ago and put it aside. I must have, because parts of it are vaguely familiar. I think I actually went "this seems too up its own ass and too focused on the boring future utopia" at some point. Maybe. I've done that for other comics.
I guess I should reread it now, but I understand things so poorly as it is, it's better if I just give it the benefit of the doubt for being brilliant.. or maybe read some cliff's notes. Either way, filing it away under life-changingly amazing comics.
Dahneggan 9th Feb 2017, 11:17 AM edit delete reply
I loved the sad ending and didn't think the last chapter was too pretentious. I caught me off guard, but I see how the story was working towards it. I'll remember this comic (and re-read it) more than if it was a boring happily ever after.
Gazebo 25th May 2017, 6:52 AM edit delete reply
This comic was really great, I loved it. I know this is 5 years after it finished, but I wish I could have seen it unfold. I wish there was a final timeline somewhere so I don't have to rely on assumptions regarding what really happened. These comments all help put it into perspective, though. Thanks view, if you still check these comments.

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